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Let's get real about Manie Libbok

Manie Libbok of South Africa reacts after missing a kick at goal during the Rugby World Cup France 2023 match between South Africa and Ireland at Stade de France on September 23, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Craig Mercer/MB Media/Getty Images)

Let’s not get it twisted. South Africa would have beaten Ireland had they kicked all of their shots at goal. In fact, they’d have won if they’d registered at least some of the 11 points they left out on the pitch. Some shots, like the two from Faf de Klerk from long range, were difficult . But a concern has morphed into a problem and is now looking like a major barrier to their World Cup title defence.

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Which is why it’s hard to believe Jacques Nienaber when he yet again downplayed this crucial facet of the Springboks’ game.

“I won’t say it’s only goal kicking [that cost his team the win] but I know you guys will say that,” South Africa’s coach told the gathered press after the match. “We had opportunities in the first half where we lost the ball under the poles. And at the end with the last maul, we had a great opportunity. That’s why I say, ‘Hats off to Ireland’. They were better than us on the night.”

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Indeed they were. At the breakdown, in the midfield and around the fringe. But those components, crucial though they may be, are not the significant reason for the defeat.

Manie Libbok is unquestionably a talented fly-half. Despite only being a Springbok since November last year, one could still make a decent case that he is the most talented fly-half South Africa has produced in the professional era. His distribution is a joy to watch. His ability to read space in front of him is almost telepathic. And he unleashes runners off his shoulder as if he spiralled an umbilical cord scissor to his father moments after after his own birth.

But he’s not a goal-kicker.  That much is evident. Before this match he had only slotted 66% of his shots at Test level. Before the start of this match, a game he must have known would be his final chance to prove his worth in a tough contest against a fellow heavyweight, he was shanking them left. Like an amateur golfer who simply can’t fathom why the ball continues to draw from the driver, he seemed to have no idea what the problem was.

No other kicker in the tournament so far has had as much problem with the shot clock. This is a clear sign that he is unsettled. And though his distribution game and his kicks from hand haven’t nosedived as well, it’s hard not to feel that he is now a walking liability.

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Johnny Sexton came to Libbok’s defence. The Irish captain spoke eloquently of the inevitable struggles that all goal-kickers face at some point in their careers. He explained how this can impact on other facets of a pivot’s game and backed Libbok to come good. “He’ll be better for it,” Sexton said of his young compatriot. “He’s a quality player.”

There is little doubt that Libbok will bounce back from this. But the Boks don’t have time to wait around for that to happen. This squad is at the end of its life cycle. The World Cup triumph in 2019 was four years premature. Rassie Erasmus has said as much. This iteration was always the goal for a team that was conditioned to peak in France.

What’s more, the Springboks don’t have  a goal-kicking coach. This now looks like an astonishing oversight from an organisation that is otherwise meticulous in its preparation. Or it’s a clear sign of their hubris. Whatever the reason, they’ve painted themselves in a corner and left themselves without any recourse to solve the problem internally. Which is why they have no other option but to select Handre Pollard for the quarterfinal no matter how accurately he himself kicks from the tee against Tonga next week.

“Lots of things go into team selection,” Nienaber said of the possibility that Pollard will now parachute straight into the number 10 jersey. “We will get the medical status after 24-48 hours and then we will go through our team selection process as normal.”

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Nienaber deserves some praise for backing Libbok. Only a fool would believe him when he says that goal-kicking is not a major concern but he is at least refusing to throw a young talent under the bus. Between mundane cliches in the mixed zoner afterwards, Cheslin Kolbe espoused similar support for Libbok. Jessie Kriel too declined the bait to express some genuine frustration that a game was lost primarily because of one man’s right foot.

However, some honesty is needed. This is a team that has consciously and emphatically positioned itself as a moral lightning rod for the country they represent. Their supporters believe them to be a living representation of what is possible when corrupt and lying politicians are left out of a nation-building project and the evils of the past aren’t ignored or blamed, but are instead used as lessons on the road to a better future.

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So, to be frank, it would be refreshing if Nienaber and his team cut the bullshit. They owe it to the public and the journalists who report their words to offer an iota of honesty. The coach doesn’t have to slam Libbok and announce right there that the fly-half has been axed from the squad. But it is disingenuous to say anything other than the truth.

The truth is that Libbok cost his team a match they could afford to lose. Perhaps Nienaber and the rest might not be so restrained if the same thing happens in a game that has a little more riding on it.

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Corey 448 days ago

From an International rugby level the kicking was poor. These are supposed to be the best of the best in their respective positions and in their craft. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that Manie absolutely does not belong in the RWC squad. I will go as far as to say if Manie is selected again I would forget any chance of succeeding in this World Cup. Is he a good player sure, but a really bad goal kicker so that would make him 50% a good player thats nowhere near good enough for Springbok level let alone International Rugby World Cup level. Unfortunately we do also have the quota to contend with and that also does mean that not the best of the best are playing. Like I said if Manie plays another game. Good luck!

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Nico 449 days ago

What absolute bollocks! Libbock is a maestro at flyhalf and has transformed the Springbok backline into an amazing unit. Pollard
cannot do that. Poor captain decision to not rather go for the corners and use the Bok strengths to go for 7. They did not back themselves.

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ashi 450 days ago

If Boks would have taken every kick beyond 40m out to the corners we would have won by at least 8-10 points. Erasmus' management and decisions are cockeyed trying to get a part time kicker to convert 3 points from 60 mts is seriously dumb because 1 point lead wasn't an option even if it worked.

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Utiku Old Boy 451 days ago

It seems that Mr Gallan is inferring the problem in the loss was Libbok. Another way of looking at it is that the lack of a reliable goal kicker in the team cost points. A goal kicker doesn't have to have 10 on their back. They tried Faf who is also an option but the Boks and their coaches have not suddenly become "bad" because they didn't kick goals to win this game. The same writer points out in another article that being beaten at the tackle/breakdown was the main "reason" for the loss. I find this more accurate.

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David 451 days ago

1st rule of man management, don't slag off your players in public but say what needs to be said to them on the training ground etc. Of course, Neinaber knows where it was lost

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Adam 451 days ago

"Let’s not get it twisted. South Africa would have beaten Ireland had they kicked all of their shots at goal."

Let's not get it twisted, Ireland would have hammered South Africa if even a fraction of their lineouts worked."

Let's not get it twisted, Ireland would have hammered South Africa if the 1/10000 freak penalty off the post was not a freak.

Let's not get it twisted, if my granny had wheels she'd be a trolley.

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Mellet 451 days ago

There is also this issue of the downfall of Elton Jantjies, who was the traditional understudy to Pollard.

If Elton's personal life and his alleged doping did not become such a crisis, he would have been the replacement to an injured Pollard.

Whilst we all agree that Libbok came through and deserved recognition from the Bok management (and he will probably go on to become one of our greatest flyhalves ever), this test was a bridge too far for him.

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Andy 451 days ago

Of course Erasmus and Nienaber could not admit that Springboks lost because:

  1. They don't have either a goal kicker or even a goal-kicking coach.
  2. They have a backup hooker who cannot throw in straight.
  3. The ref pinged them for persistently infringing.
With a kicker of Farrell's or Ford's ability, the Boks would have won last night. With a regular hooker, they would have won. For much of the match they were by far the better team, and yet they lost because of their pig-headed coach & director of rugby. That's why I call karma.

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pof 451 days ago

Libbok cost his team the match? He missed 5 points, which was checks notes exactly the margin between the teams. P.S. pull out your dictionary for 'compatriot', because Libbok is not one of Sexton's.

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Michael Röbbins (academic and writer extraordinair 451 days ago

One man cost a 23 on 23 match, hmmmm? Think someone else needs to cut the bullshit.

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fl 8 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Would I'd be think"

Would I'd be think.


"Well that's one starting point for an error in your reasoning. Do you think that in regards to who should have a say in how it's setup in the future as well? Ie you would care what they think or what might be more fair for their teams (not saying your model doesn't allow them a chance)?"

Did you even read what you're replying to? I wasn't arguing for excluding south africa, I was pointing out that the idea of quantifying someone's fractional share of european rugby is entirely nonsensical. You're the one who was trying to do that.


"Yes, I was thinking about an automatic qualifier for a tier 2 side"

What proportion of european rugby are they though? Got to make sure those fractions match up! 😂


"Ultimately what I think would be better for t2 leagues would be a third comp underneath the top two tournemnts where they play a fair chunk of games, like double those two. So half a dozen euro teams along with the 2 SA and bottom bunch of premiership and top14, some Championship and div 2 sides thrown in."

I don't know if Championship sides want to be commuting to Georgia every other week.


"my thought was just to create a middle ground now which can sustain it until that time has come, were I thought yours is more likely to result in the constant change/manipulation it has been victim to"

a middle ground between the current system and a much worse system?

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fl 23 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Huh? You mean last in their (4 team) pools/regions? My idea was 6/5/4, 6 the max, for guarenteed spots, with a 20 team comp max, so upto 5 WCs (which you'd make/or would be theoretically impossible to go to one league (they'd likely be solely for its participants, say 'Wales', rather than URC specifically. Preferrably). I gave 3 WC ideas for a 18 team comp, so the max URC could have (with a member union or club/team, winning all of the 6N, and Champions and Challenge Cup) would be 9."


That's a lot of words to say that I was right. If (e.g.) Glasgow won the URC and Edinburgh finished 16th, but Scotland won the six nations, Edinburgh would qualify for the Champions Cup under your system.


"And the reason say another URC (for example) member would get the spot over the other team that won the Challenge Cup, would be because they were arguable better if they finished higher in the League."

They would be arguably worse if they didn't win the Challenge Cup.


"It won't diminish desire to win the Challenge Cup, because that team may still be competing for that seed, and if theyre automatic qual anyway, it still might make them treat it more seriously"

This doesn't make sense. Giving more incentives to do well in the Challenge Cup will make people take it more seriously. My system does that and yours doesn't. Under my system, teams will "compete for the seed" by winning the Challenge Cup, under yours they won't. If a team is automatically qualified anyway why on earth would that make them treat it more seriously?


"I'm promoting the idea of a scheme that never needs to be changed again"

So am I. I'm suggesting that places could be allocated according to a UEFA style points sytem, or according to a system where each league gets 1/4 of the spots, and the remaining 1/4 go to the best performing teams from the previous season in european competition.


"Yours will promote outcry as soon as England (or any other participant) fluctates. Were as it's hard to argue about a the basis of an equal share."

Currently there is an equal share, and you are arguing against it. My system would give each side the opportunity to achieve an equal share, but with more places given to sides and leagues that perform well. This wouldn't promote outcry, it would promote teams to take european competition more seriously. Teams that lose out because they did poorly the previous year wouldn't have any grounds to complain, they would be incentivised to try harder this time around.


"This new system should not be based on the assumption of last years results/performances continuing."

That's not the assumption I'm making. I don't think the teams that perform better should be given places in the competition because they will be the best performing teams next year, but because sport should be based on merit, and teams should be rewarded for performing well.


"I'm specifically promoting my idea because I think it will do exactly what you want, increase european rugyb's importance."

how?


"I won't say I've done anything compressive"

Compressive.

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JW 26 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Generally disagree with what? The possibility that they would get whitewashed, or the idea they shouldn't gain access until they're good enough?


I think the first is a fairly irrelevant view, decide on the second and then worry about the first. Personally I'd have had them in a third lvl comp with all the bottom dwellers of the leagues. I liked the idea of those league clubs resting their best players, and so being able to lift their standards in the league, though, so not against the idea that T2 sides go straight into Challenge Cup, but that will be a higher level with smaller comps and I think a bit too much for them (not having followed any of their games/performances mind you).

Because I don't think that having the possibility of a team finishing outside the quarter finals to qualify automatically will be a good idea. I'd rather have a team finishing 5th in their domestic league.

fl's idea, if I can speak for him to speed things up, was for it to be semifinalists first, Champions Cup (any that somehow didn't make a league semi), then Challenge's semi finalists (which would most certainly have been outside their league semi's you'd think), then perhaps the quarter finalists of each in the same manner. I don't think he was suggesting whoever next performed best in Europe but didn't make those knockouts (like those round of 16 losers), I doubt that would ever happen.


The problem I mainly saw with his idea (much the same as you see, that league finish is a better indicator) is that you could have one of the best candidates lose in the quarters to the eventual champions, and so miss out for someone who got an easier ride, and also finished lower in the league, perhaps in their own league, and who you beat everytime.

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JW 45 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Well I was mainly referring to my thinking about the split, which was essentially each /3 rounded up, but reliant on WCs to add buffer.


You may have been going for just a 16 team league ranking cup?


But yes, those were just ideas for how to select WCs, all very arbitrary but I think more interesting in ways than just going down a list (say like fl's) of who is next in line. Indeed in my reply to you I hinted at say the 'URC' WC spot actually being given to the Ireland pool and taken away from the Welsh pool.


It's easy to think that is excluding, and making it even harder on, a poor performing country, but this is all in context of a 18 or 20 team comp where URC (at least to those teams in the URC) got 6 places, which Wales has one side lingering around, and you'd expect should make. Imagine the spice in that 6N game with Italy, or any other of the URC members though! Everyone talks about SA joining the 6N, so not sure it will be a problem, but it would be a fairly minor one imo.


But that's a structure of the leagues were instead of thinking how to get in at the top, I started from the bottom and thought that it best those teams doing qualify for anything. Then I thought the two comps should be identical in structure. So that's were an even split comes in with creating numbers, and the 'UEFA' model you suggest using in some manner, I thought could be used for the WC's (5 in my 20 team comp) instead of those ideas of mine you pointed out.


I see Jones has waded in like his normal self when it comes to SH teams. One thing I really like about his idea is the name change to the two competitions, to Cup and Shield. Oh, and home and away matches.

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fl 1 hour ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Yes I was the one who suggested to use a UEFA style point. And I guessed, that based on the last 5 years we should start with 6 top14, 6 URC and 4 Prem."

Yes I am aware that you suggested it, but you then went on to say that we should initially start with a balance that clearly wasn't derived from that system. I'm not a mind reader, so how was I to work out that you'd arrived at that balance by dint of completely having failed to remember the history of the competition.


"Again, I was the one suggesting that, but you didn't like the outcome of that."

I have no issues with the outcome of that, I had an issue with a completely random allocation of teams that you plucked out of thin air.

Interestingly its you who now seem to be renouncing the UEFA style points system, because you don't like the outcome of reducing URC representation.


"4 teams for Top14, URC and Prem, 3 teams for other leagues and the last winner, what do you think?"

What about 4 each + 4 to the best performing teams in last years competition not to have otherwise qualified? Or what about a UEFA style system where places are allocated to leagues on the basis of their performance in previous years' competitions?

There's no point including Black Lion if they're just going to get whitewashed every year, which I think would be a possibility. At most I'd support 1 team from the Rugby Europe Super Cup, or the Russian Championship being included. Maybe the best placed non-Israeli team and the Russian winners could play off every year for the spot? But honestly I think its best if they stay limited to the Challenge Cup for now.

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