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Libbok sends message to kicking critics amid contest with 'world class' Pollard

South Africa's fly-half Manie Libbok prepares a kick during the France 2023 Rugby World Cup Pool B match between South Africa and Tonga at Stade Velodrome in Marseille, south-eastern France, on October 1, 2023. (Photo by CLEMENT MAHOUDEAU / AFP) (Photo by CLEMENT MAHOUDEAU/AFP via Getty Images)

Going into the World Cup, there was a question mark over fly-half Manie Libbok’s kicking, and that question has not necessarily been answered as the tournament has progressed.

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The 26-year-old looked to have turned a corner against the All Blacks in South Africa’s final match before the World Cup, but the loss to Ireland at the Stade de France opened that wound again. Handre Pollard was drafted into the Springboks’ World Cup squad soon after and could well start against France this Sunday in the quarter-finals due to his superior goal kicking percentage. He is not the best kicker in the world, but many feel he is the more reliable option with the boot than the Stormers No10.

But Libbok does not seem to be paying any attention to the outside chatter surrounding his kicking, rather he is solely focusing on himself and improving.

“I don’t watch what is going on in the media,” he said this week. “I know what criticism is out there when it comes to my kicking but for me I am focusing on myself. I am focusing on getting it right, it is something I have to get right especially at this level where the margins are so small. I am just working hard and trying to get it right.”

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Last 5 Meetings

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Draws
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Wins
4
Average Points scored
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27
First try wins
60%
Home team wins
40%

Though the 2019 World Cup winning fly-half Pollard is breathing down Libbok’s neck ahead of the France clash, the 12-cap Springbok says it is “awesome” having his “world class” teammate in camp.

He said: “First and foremost it is nice to have Handre back in the camp. Him and I work nicely together, we pick each other up. It’s awesome to work with him. It doesn’t matter who is going to start. If he is going to play, if I am going to play. I know he’ll do a good job, a great job. He is a world class player, he has been there and done that so for me it’s awesome to have him back in the camp. He helps me a lot and we work nicely together.”

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Bob Marler 400 days ago

There’s a category of SA supporters who will hate on certain SA players - no matter their form, no matter their substance and no matter what they do.

It usually has something to do with some unconscious bias. Things like which province they’re from (“province” or “Stormers” for example), whose place they’re threatening (“the nostalgic” / “past World Cup winner” / “Blue bulls darling”). Sadly, I’d even say there are other more sinister reasons for this bias. You know exactly who you are…

But anyone hating on Manie Libbok, who doesn’t recognize that he is our best 10 at the moment and has stepped up to international level and done what he was asked to do in filling big shoes - is just ignorant.

Name me a better option at 10 and stop dissing Libbok.

Stop throwing kicking percentages into the argument (which can’t be argued). I want names - who should have been played at 10 up to now in Pollard’s absence? Who else should have been developed into the 10 position for the boks over the past few months?

Not so long ago there was a fair amount of noise about the lack of depth at 10. And, even, Pollards OVERALL form (at times his kicking percentages even too).

For his experience and the number of caps coming into this World Cup, Libbok has been a revelation. Full stop.

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rory 405 days ago

Bernard. Read what Daniel Carter said about Pollard and not your French buddies. Pollard is a match winner.

France has every advantage playing at home but just maybe they come unstuck. Going to be a tight call either way.

Interesting that Pollard is on the bench. I would have preferred that but will go with Rassie and Jacques.

Would love to see the Boks bring their A game. Building the necessary platform to set the backs up.

I may be totally wrong but this French team has weaknesses, as was shown by the Irish not so long ago. The only real problem the Boks have is the French home advantage.

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Melvyn 405 days ago

The knock out stages are always a lottery. Any 2 of the A and B groups could go through to the semi's. I doubt that any of the qualifiers from the C & D groups will progress beyond the semi's.

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Turlough 405 days ago

The SA IRE match was played like a knock out match for one reason. You do not want to be playing France at home in a QTR final.
NZ Started their match against FRA like their win against SA in Smart stadium but it wasn’t nearly enough: dealt with by France even though they left Telea acres for both NZ tries.
The route to the final was through the slightly less perilous route via NZ. If they couldn’t beat Ireland in Paris with their best shot they ain’t gonna beat France there. Expect a statement from France on Sunday.

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BR2B 406 days ago

Pollard is a very good kicker.
But remains a very average FH on the whole.

When he arrived in Montpellier after WC 19 triumph, many Frenchmen including myself were expecting wonders, which never happened.
Misadaptation to French life and or club in and off field culture ?

I’ve discussed the topic with fans I’m close to and everybody settled that Pollard would be less of a threat than Libbok, even when taking into account his higher kicking stats

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ant 406 days ago

What amazes me is the so called tier 2 Team kickers have better goal kicking percentages. The Old Boks 10 Naas Botha why can’t he assist …this bloke is talented but woeful in his kicks. Goal kicks win World cups and if not corrected will be a very expensive lesson to leave Pollard out. MissBok should look at practicisng more and refine his technique. He will become ExBok, or TheBok. Lets see what he becomes.

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Ruggerhead 406 days ago

He’s got a dreadful low percentage kicking technique. So he kicks goals at a low percentage. A liability the Boks could do without.

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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