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'It's probably the most physical Test match I've ever experienced': 'Spirit of Rugby - Ep 3

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In episode three of Spirit of Rugby, Jim Hamilton talks with Simon Shaw, Rob Kearney, Tom Croft, Ian McGeechan and Stephen Jones about the 2009 series loss to South Africa. The series has been remembered as one of the most brutal in living memory, as well as one that inspired Herculean performances from some tourists.

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Simon Shaw
“There’s a sense of drama, there’s a sense of gladiatorial combat that you don’t get anywhere else in the world.

“All I’ve ever wanted to do is walk down the street in five, ten, fifteen years from now with my son or daughter at my side and someone point over and say ‘that’s Simon Shaw, he was XYZ in the Lions 2009,’ and give me a fist pump. The words came out of my mouth post match, I just wanted to be a part of it and win.

“I actually didn’t feel at any point when players were going off with arms in slings and all the rest of it, I actually didn’t think there was any way we could lose it still. You see your fellow soldiers going off and you think you might get downhearted by it but there was so much belief within that squad that I just didn’t think it necessarily affected us.

“Win, lose or draw, the first two Test matches were monumental Test matches.”

Rob Kearney
“The South Africans, they go hard. I think they almost try to go out of their way to intimidate you a little bit.

“You go on tour and everything is building up towards the Tests. The warmup games, whilst they’re important, everything is geared towards that first Test.

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“We probably weren’t prepared for maybe the level of brutality that they were bringing. It was disappointing, but at the same time we knew that we hadn’t played particularly well and that the following week we were going to be an awful lot better.

“Sublime offload [from Jones for his try in the second Test], it was incredible. I wasn’t even expecting it. I had to juggle it with one hand.

“When you’re a kid and you go to bed at night time, you fantasise about these moments. Kicking the winning drop goal in a game or conversion or scoring a try for the Lions and I was definitely one of those kids growing up. For it to actually happen, you dream about these things your whole life.

“Simon Shaw might have something to say about that [being the best player on the pitch]. I think it was certainly up there [as one of his best games]. It has to have been. It was the biggest game of my career to date, it was the best that I’d ever played up until that. You always want to play your best games on the very big stage.

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“It was awful, it really was. I’ve been playing this game for 15 years now and that ranks as number one worst loss and biggest defeat that I’ve ever had to take.

“Of course it was an opportunity missed. I think how close the second Test was, that could have swung either way. You would have loved to have seen a 1-1 going into that third Test.

“It was an incredible series for the game of rugby and the spirit of Lions rugby.”

Tom Croft
“It’s a hostile environment to be in and it was a missed opportunity but I don’t think anyone did themselves any injustice.”

Ian McGeechan
“I said to the players before the game, it’s not the jersey you put on, it’s the jersey you take off.

“It’s one of the best fullback performances I’ve ever seen in a Lions shirt,” McGeechan said of Kearney’s second Test performance.

“The Lions brings out different things in players when you get into that environment. And it does challenge you, and it changes you. Shawsy, what he put into it and what he did that afternoon was quite incredible.

“To me it’s probably the most physical Test match I think I’ve ever experienced. Unfortunately, we ended up with injuries as well. When both centres disappear, both props go in less than ten minutes in the second half.

“The players knew it wasn’t Ronan O’Gara’s fault we lost that game, it should have been well sorted before that.

“It’s still probably, in some respects, the most powerful dressing room I’ve walked back into because it was silent. You just saw the players and you knew what players give.”

Stephen Jones
“I remember the fact they got a bit of forward momentum in that game,” Jones said, looking back on the first Test.

“We missed some chances, I remember missing two off the tee- you always remember what you miss as a kicker. Six points gone there. As the game was going on, we were getting back into it and the momentum was with us.

“The best thing for me was Rob’s finish, I loved it. He still had a bit of work to do.

“To lose a game in the last minute like that and the manner, that was a bitter pill to swallow.

“Going back in the changing rooms after being in your own little world for five minutes, you want to then interact and talk to your teammates and discuss the game, debrief the game and I remember the changing room was pretty big, purely because so many guys had gone to hospital either to get operated on or checked on.”

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JW 2 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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