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‘Lots of things to improve’: Argentina’s Julian Montoya reacts to loss

Argentina players react after losing the Autumn Nations Series international rugby union test match between France and Argentina at the Stade de France in Saint-Denis, north of Paris, on November 22, 2024. (Photo by Anne-Christine POUJOULAT / AFP) (Photo by ANNE-CHRISTINE POUJOULAT/AFP via Getty Images)

Julian Montoya offered a candid assessment of Argentina’s tough 37-23 loss to France in Paris on Friday evening. The captain highlighted Los Pumas’ slow start and the team’s poor discipline as areas of concern after their final Autumn Nations Series match of the year.

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On the back of a historic run in The Rugby Championship which saw Argentina beat New Zealand, Australia and South Africa in the same tournament for the first time, Los Pumas travelled north as they set sights on more headline-grabbing upsets.

Argentina smashed Italy 50-18 and came close to knocking off Ireland in a 22-19 loss in Dublin, but they had one more match to play before the season came to a close. France were up next, which pitted a Rugby World Cup semi-finalist against a northern hemisphere heavyweight.

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Penalty Goals
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4
Tries
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3
Conversions
2
0
Drop Goals
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116
Carries
157
5
Line Breaks
4
12
Turnovers Lost
12
5
Turnovers Won
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But with Thibaud Flament, Gabin Villiere, Louis Bielle-Birrey scoring five-pointers, and a penalty try going France’s way, it seemed the hosts were always in control. Argentina had the last laugh with Ignacio Ruiz scoring with just over 10 minutes to play, but time wasn’t on their side.

At the end of an incredible season which saw Argentina make some unforgettable history, they were handed a one-sided 14-point loss. Players were visibly disappointed after the full-time whistle at Stade de France, but their captain remained as proud as ever of Los Pumas.

“First of all I want to say thank you to all the Argentina people that came here to Paris to support us and the people that support us from home. To us it’s very important,” Montoya said on the post-game broadcast.

“We didn’t start the way we wanted. Our discipline wasn’t good, two yellow cards.

“What I think it good and (why) I’m proud of the team is the way we went for the game until the 80th minute.

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“But lots of things to improve. Now we need to look inside each other; what do we need to do better… but I’m proud of this team as always.”

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It would’ve taken an incredible effort for Argentina to wrestle their way back into the lead after going into the sheds at half-time down 30-9. France had scored three tries, but it was the goal-kicking boot of flyhalf Thomas Ramos that seemed to do the most damage.

Whenever Argentina pivot Tomas Albornoz converted a penalty, Ramos lined up a shot at goal usually within a few minutes to cancel out the score. Les Bleus ran riot as the proud Parisian crowd well and truly got behind their rugby heroes with a chorus of cheers and songs.

The second half was more of a battle with Argentina ‘winning’ that period 14-7, with Thomas Gallo scoring the other try for the visitors, but the damage had been done. Argentina finished the year with a 50 per cent winning record, with six wins from their 12 Tests in 2024.

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“I’m proud of this team always, not just when we do things all right,” Montoya added.

“We were in a tough position and we need to embrace those moments and come together stronger. We win together and we lose together.”

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JW 28 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

In another recent article I tried to argue for a few key concept changes for EPCR which I think could light the game up in the North.


First, I can't remember who pointed out the obvious elephant in the room (a SA'n poster?), it's a terrible time to play rugby in the NH, and especially your pinnacle tournament. It's been terrible watching with seemingly all the games I wanted to watch being in the dark, hardly able to see what was going on. The Aviva was the only stadium I saw that had lights that could handle the miserable rain. If the global appeal is there, they could do a lot better having day games.


They other primary idea I thuoght would benefit EPCR most, was more content. The Prem could do with it and the Top14 could do with something more important than their own league, so they aren't under so much pressure to sell games. The quality over quantity approach.


Trim it down to two 16 team EPCR competitions, and introduce a third for playing amongst the T2 sides, or the bottom clubs in each league should simply be working on being better during the EPCR.


Champions Cup is made up of league best 15 teams, + 1, the Challenge Cup winner. Without a reason not to, I'd distribute it evenly based on each leauge, dividing into thirds and rounded up, 6 URC 5 Top14 4 English. Each winner (all four) is #1 rank and I'd have a seeding round or two for the other 12 to determine their own brackets for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. I'd then hold a 6 game pool, home and away, with consecutive of each for those games that involve SA'n teams. Preferrably I'd have a regional thing were all SA'n teams were in the same pool but that's a bit complex for this simple idea.


That pool round further finalises the seeding for knockout round of 16. So #1 pool has essentially duked it out for finals seeding already (better venue planning), and to see who they go up against 16, 15,etc etc. Actually I think I might prefer a single pool round for seeding, and introduce the home and away for Ro16, quarters, and semis (stuffs up venue hire). General idea to produce the most competitive matches possible until the random knockout phase, and fix the random lottery of which two teams get ranked higher after pool play, and also keep the system identical for the Challenge Cup so everthing is succinct. Top T2 side promoted from last year to make 16 in Challenge Cup

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JW 5 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I had a look at the wiki article again, it's all terribly old data (not that I'd see reason for much change in the case of SA).

Number Of Clubs:

1526

Registered+Unregistered Players:

651146

Number of Referees:

3460

Pre-teen Male Players:

320842

Pre-teen Female Player:

4522

Teen Male Player:

199213

Teen Female Player:

4906

Senior Male Player:

113174

Senior Female Player:

8489

Total Male Player:

633229

Total Female Player:

17917


So looking for something new as were more concerned with adults specifically, so I had a look at their EOY Financial Review.

The total number of clubs remains consistent, with a marginal increase of 1% from 1,161 to 1,167. 8.1.

A comparative analysis of verified data for 2022 and 2023 highlights a marginal decline of 1% in the number of female players, declining from 6,801 to 6,723. Additionally, the total number of players demonstrates an 8% decrease, dropping from 96,172 to 88,828.

So 80k+ adult males (down from 113k), but I'm not really sure when youth are involved with SAn clubs, or if that data is for some reason not being referenced/included. 300k male students however (200k in old wiki data).


https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2020/07/28/212ed9cf-cd61-4fa3-b9d4-9f0d5fb61116/P56-57-Participation-Map_v3.pdf has France at 250k registered but https://presse-europe1-fr.translate.goog/exclu-europe-1-le-top-10-des-sports-les-plus-pratiques-en-france-en-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp has them back up at 300k registered.


The French number likely Students + Club, but everyone collects data different I reckon. In that WR pdf for instance a lot of the major nations have a heavily registered setup, were as a nation like England can penetrate into a lot more schools to run camps and include them in the reach of rugby. For instance the SARU release says only 29% of schools are reached by proper rugby programs, where as the 2million English number would be through a much much higer penetration I'd imagine. Which is thanks to schools having the ability to involve themselves in programs more than anything.


In any case, I don't think you need to be concerned with the numbers, whether they are 300 or 88k, there is obviously a big enough following for their pro scenes already to have enough quality players for a 10/12 team competition. They appear ibgger than France but I don't really by the lower English numbers going around.

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