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Manu Samoa's tight loss 'bodes extremely well' for World Cup upset

Taleni Seu contests the high ball for Manu Samoa. Photo by ROMAIN PERROCHEAU/AFP via Getty Images

An incredibly narrow defeat at the hands of the world’s top-ranked side Ireland was yet another statement of the potential Manu Samoa has for an upset at the Rugby World Cup.

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Samoa won two out of their three Tests in the Pacific Nations Cup, falling only to Fiji while toppling Japan and thumping Tonga.

Following the tournament, they have been boosted by a debut to former All Black Lima Sopoaga whose game management and experience guided the team around the park in last weekend’s tight encounter in Bayonne.

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While it wasn’t Andy Farrell’s first-choice team, Samoa’s ability to challenge the Irish outfit in the contact and around the field will have again put their Pool D competition on notice.

“The most impressive thing for me was, Ireland are normally that sort of (attack with) bodies in motion, dominant carries, getting across the gain-line,” James Parsons said on the Aotearoa Rugby Pod. “They kept the Irish to 33% gain line, which isn’t very high.

“They had 56% gain line themselves, they had almost double the metres with less carries. They had discipline, only five penalties.

“The two areas they’ll be looking at most I’d suggest is probably their lineout accuracy – so the scrum was fine, good dominance, they operated at 65%. Tough conditions but that’s going to be big if you can’t win that set piece it just means teams can kick to the sideline and almost (back themselves) to get the ball back – and then the maul defence.

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“Outside of that, their accuracy defensively, their ability to manipulate the defence to create opportunity, yes they didn’t finish all the opportunities but it was tough conditions. Ireland had some opportunities as well that they didn’t finish.

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Ireland win +4
Time in lead
46
Mins in lead
23
57%
% Of Game In Lead
28%
71%
Possession Last 10 min
29%
0
Points Last 10 min
0

“But it bodes extremely well and the one thing I like about it is there’s a lot of players in that side that are based in the northern hemisphere, so they know how they play. It’s quite a big advantage in that understanding of how they play and where to put pressure on, and I just think they got the balance right in terms of when to kick. They kicked quite a few times, 32 times, so they didn’t want to play too much in the wet, and when to pull trigger.

“I just think this balance of attack, this game management is really crucial to get right and that discipline which they nailed on the weekend.”

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Having already defeated one of their Pool D rivals in Japan, coach Seilala Mapusua will know his team can compete for a spot in the quarter-finals. But, with England and Argentina also in the pool, it will take huge performances week in, and week out to progress.

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The Samoans will start their World Cup campaign against Chile on September 17, after their bye in the opening week of the tournament.

As promising as the attacking performance against the Irish was, Parsons went on to commend the Samoans’ defensive effort. The former All Black highlighted the limited ways in which Ireland found success in the match against Tana Umaga’s defensive systems.

“On the face of it, it was a kick in behind which got a good bounce for one try and then the maul defence, where they just steamrolled over.

“Outside of that, their phase defence, they were hard to break down. They read Ireland’s kicking cues really well, the midfield would come up and then as they shaped to kick all three of them would drop back and they’d have that kick coverage sorted.

“They’re very aware of what their systems and their defence allowed them to do. Knowing Tana (Umaga), he’s very efficient in the defensive systems he runs and I suppose the simplicity of it.

“I think they’re in a good pool, they’re a genuine opportunity, I mean it could be a Fiji vs Samoa quarter-final.”

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dave 478 days ago

A Fiji v Samoa quarterfinal. We can only hope but boy that'd be great.

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Tom 59 minutes ago
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Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol! Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol! Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol!


It's incredible to see the boys playing like this. Back to the form that saw them finish on top of the regular season and beat Toulon to win the challenge cup. Ibitoye and Ravouvou doing a cracking Piutau/Radradra impression.


It's abundantly clear that Borthwick and Wigglesworth need to transform the England attack and incorporate some of the Bears way. Unfortunately until the Bears are competing in Europe, the old criticisms will still be used.. we failed to fire any punches against La Rochelle and Leinster which goes to show there is still work to do but both those sides are packed full of elite players so it's not the fairest comparison to expect Bristol to compete with them. I feel Bristol are on the way up though and the best is yet to come. Tom Jordan next year is going to be obscene.


Test rugby is obviously a different beast and does Borthwick have enough time with the players to develop the level of skill the Bears plays have? Even if he wanted to? We should definitely be able to see some progress, Scotland have certainly managed it. England aren't going to start throwing the ball around like that but England's attack looks prehistoric by comparison, I hope they take some inspiration from the clarity and freedom of expression shown by the Bears (and Scotland - who keep beating us, by the way!). Bristol have the best attack in the premiership, it'd be mad for England to ignore it because it doesn't fit with the Borthwick and Wigglesworth idea of how test rugby should be played. You gotta use what is available to you. Sadly I think England will try reluctantly to incorporate some of these ideas and end up even more confused and lacking identity than ever. At the moment England have two teams, they have 14 players and Marcus Smith. Marcus sticks out as a sore thumb in a team coached to play in a manner ideologically opposed to the way he plays rugby, does the Bears factor confuse matters further? I just have no confidence in Borthers and Wiggles.


Crazy to see the Prem with more ball in play than SR!

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JW 4 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

In another recent article I tried to argue for a few key concept changes for EPCR which I think could light the game up in the North.


First, I can't remember who pointed out the obvious elephant in the room (a SA'n poster?), it's a terrible time to play rugby in the NH, and especially your pinnacle tournament. It's been terrible watching with seemingly all the games I wanted to watch being in the dark, hardly able to see what was going on. The Aviva was the only stadium I saw that had lights that could handle the miserable rain. If the global appeal is there, they could do a lot better having day games.


They other primary idea I thuoght would benefit EPCR most, was more content. The Prem could do with it and the Top14 could do with something more important than their own league, so they aren't under so much pressure to sell games. The quality over quantity approach.


Trim it down to two 16 team EPCR competitions, and introduce a third for playing amongst the T2 sides, or the bottom clubs in each league should simply be working on being better during the EPCR.


Champions Cup is made up of league best 15 teams, + 1, the Challenge Cup winner. Without a reason not to, I'd distribute it evenly based on each leauge, dividing into thirds and rounded up, 6 URC 5 Top14 4 English. Each winner (all four) is #1 rank and I'd have a seeding round or two for the other 12 to determine their own brackets for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. I'd then hold a 6 game pool, home and away, with consecutive of each for those games that involve SA'n teams. Preferrably I'd have a regional thing were all SA'n teams were in the same pool but that's a bit complex for this simple idea.


That pool round further finalises the seeding for knockout round of 16. So #1 pool has essentially duked it out for finals seeding already (better venue planning), and to see who they go up against 16, 15,etc etc. Actually I think I might prefer a single pool round for seeding, and introduce the home and away for Ro16, quarters, and semis (stuffs up venue hire). General idea to produce the most competitive matches possible until the random knockout phase, and fix the random lottery of which two teams get ranked higher after pool play, and also keep the system identical for the Challenge Cup so everthing is succinct. Top T2 side promoted from last year to make 16 in Challenge Cup

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JW 10 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I had a look at the wiki article again, it's all terribly old data (not that I'd see reason for much change in the case of SA).

Number Of Clubs:

1526

Registered+Unregistered Players:

651146

Number of Referees:

3460

Pre-teen Male Players:

320842

Pre-teen Female Player:

4522

Teen Male Player:

199213

Teen Female Player:

4906

Senior Male Player:

113174

Senior Female Player:

8489

Total Male Player:

633229

Total Female Player:

17917


So looking for something new as were more concerned with adults specifically, so I had a look at their EOY Financial Review.

The total number of clubs remains consistent, with a marginal increase of 1% from 1,161 to 1,167. 8.1.

A comparative analysis of verified data for 2022 and 2023 highlights a marginal decline of 1% in the number of female players, declining from 6,801 to 6,723. Additionally, the total number of players demonstrates an 8% decrease, dropping from 96,172 to 88,828.

So 80k+ adult males (down from 113k), but I'm not really sure when youth are involved with SAn clubs, or if that data is for some reason not being referenced/included. 300k male students however (200k in old wiki data).


https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2020/07/28/212ed9cf-cd61-4fa3-b9d4-9f0d5fb61116/P56-57-Participation-Map_v3.pdf has France at 250k registered but https://presse-europe1-fr.translate.goog/exclu-europe-1-le-top-10-des-sports-les-plus-pratiques-en-france-en-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp has them back up at 300k registered.


The French number likely Students + Club, but everyone collects data different I reckon. In that WR pdf for instance a lot of the major nations have a heavily registered setup, were as a nation like England can penetrate into a lot more schools to run camps and include them in the reach of rugby. For instance the SARU release says only 29% of schools are reached by proper rugby programs, where as the 2million English number would be through a much much higer penetration I'd imagine. Which is thanks to schools having the ability to involve themselves in programs more than anything.


In any case, I don't think you need to be concerned with the numbers, whether they are 300 or 88k, there is obviously a big enough following for their pro scenes already to have enough quality players for a 10/12 team competition. They appear ibgger than France but I don't really by the lower English numbers going around.

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