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Marcus Smith at 15 and other England talking points versus Chile

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It’s very much a case of catching England on Saturday while you can as you can bet the house that it’s an XV that won’t see the light of day any time soon again under Steve Borthwick. The head coach has his particular way of doing business and extravagance isn’t it, so enjoy the expected tries in this hit-out against minnows Chile.

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Normal transmission will likely be resumed next month versus Samoa. Before then, here are four RugbyPass talking points ahead of the clash with the South Americans in Lille:

Joie de vivre
It would be lovely if Marcus Smith produced a man-on-the-match performance from full-back to show Borthwick that England can be different in their approach and don’t always have to boot the ball to death.

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The head coach is still in denial about what unfolded in the stands in Nice last Sunday, loud boos ringing out from supporters fed up with the ugly style of rugby that was being played versus Japan.

There he was on Thursday at his latest team selection announcement going on about brilliant supporters whose alleged fanaticism for the team was reminding him of the 2007 run to the World Cup final when he was a player in Brian Ashton’s squad.

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There’s the rub – that England side of 16 years ago were also terribly no frills in the pool stages, leaving fans frustrated with their desperately tame play and it was only the unexpected ambush of Australia in the quarter-finals that drew a line under how dull and joyless they were.

England have a chance in Lille to get over that hump a bit earlier if Smith and co are given license to genuinely light up the world stage. Trying to score tries all year under Borthwick has been a pained process, but Chile is the perfect opportunity to finally show England can create and entertain.

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For whatever reason, it didn’t happen for Smith as the England No10 as the handbrake was always on, unlike when he plays at Harlequins where his talent isn’t shackled.

Can he do it, though, from full-back? He looked sharp in the role when in off the bench last month versus Fiji, and a virtuoso World Cup effort in Lille would show Borthwick’s selection can be changed up for the better.

Remember, Eddie Jones didn’t always go with Freddie Steward as his No15. In Paris in March 2022, he picked George Furbank there and Steward went on to score a try from the right wing that night.

Teams must evolve over the course of a World Cup if they are to stay the course, so here’s hoping Smith can cause Borthwick a major selection headache for the greater good.

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Pedestrian ruck speed
The greatest defect in making England look slow and ponderous has been a ruck speed that has them ranked 13th of the 20 teams involved in France 2023. After every round of matches, a deep dive is done into the overall statistics and a raft of these numbers haven’t reflected well on Borthwick’s team despite their position as unbeaten Pool D leaders.

Maro Itoje was given kudos for his work rate, having cleared the most rucks for his team (62), but England are in need of a hurry up here and in other facets of their player so it will be curious what a team showing a dozen changes to its starting XV can achieve.

The combined stats after Argentina and Japan laid bare multiple England issues. “Attacking output is still very limited; they are in the bottom half of the teams for carries, metres made, clean breaks, defenders beaten and offloads,” read the dossier.

“Seventeenth for collision dominance (27 per cent) and 16th for gainline success (45 per cent). Average ruck speed is 13th (4.39secs) and they have the second-most rucks lasting longer than five seconds (29 per cent).

“Very average red zone return, seventh for entries with 10 per game, ninth for phases (19) and time spent there (03:24) and ninth for efficiency (2.23 points per entry).

It added: “They have the most kicks in play (34.5 per game) and the highest percentage of their possession kicked away (84 per cent).”

Unlucky 13?
Let’s hope there are no late hitches for England as they don’t seem to have much luck on the rare occasions they name Elliot Daly as their No13. It was March 2021 when Jones picked the Saracens player at outside centre for a Guinness Six Nations match away to Ireland in Dublin.

A niggly injury to Henry Slade opened the door to the selection of Daly in a position where he had only ever previously started one Test match – a November 2016 encounter with the Springboks at Twickenham. “He is coming back into his best form and he has got a great opportunity in his preferred position,” said Jones at the time.

“We prefer him to play at 15. The player can prefer their own position, we prefer him to play at 15. He has done a great job for us at 15. He celebrated his 50 caps and now the opportunity is for him to play at 13.”

The thing is, it never materialised. A captain’s run injury to Max Malins forced a late backline reshuffle, with Daly relinquishing the No13 shirt for a switch to the backfield.

He did go on to successfully start for the British and Irish Lions in the 13 shirt when they defeated the Springboks in the first Test of that year’s tour series, and he finally got to do it with England at the start of the 2022 Guinness Six Nations in Scotland, only for defeat to knock this tactic on the head again until this weekend 19 months later.

You’d love to imagine his selection there is a genuine shot for him to grab that jersey for next month’s business end at the World Cup. However, the likelihood is that a midfield partnership of Owen Farrell and Manu Tuilagi will be reprised versus Samoa on October 7, the weekend before the quarter-finals, with George Ford at 10.

The case for Arundell
Things couldn’t have worked out better for Borthwick in the way the fixtures have fallen at France 2023. This outing versus Chile, after the campaign-starting wins over Argentina and Japan, has provided the opportunity for him to get the seven players who had yet to play in the tournament involved.

The naming of Henry Arundell, Malins, Farrell, Bevan Rodd, David Ribbans and Jack Willis to start and the selection of Jack Walker on the bench will mean that all 33 squad players will have featured at some stage across the opening three games ahead next week’s bye-week where family time will be accommodated at their Le Touquet-Paris-Plage base camp.

There is nothing worse at a World Cup than having players in a squad that haven’t got any chance to play so in terms of keeping spirits high, the September ebb and flow from Marseille to Nice and now onto Lille has swimmingly evolved.

Of those in the team at these finals for the first time, Arundell is especially intriguing as the 20-year-old’s two previous starts for England under Borthwick were miserable non-events.

He was anonymous last March in Dublin, never getting an opportunity to spoil Ireland’s Grand Slam party, while his appearance last month versus Wales was blemished by his receipt of a first-half yellow card for cynical play.

On both occasions, he was hooked from the fray early in the second half but the wish now is that he will get to do something positive early on against the Chileans and thrive rather than appear he has the weight of the world on his young shoulders, as seemed to be the case in his previous starts.

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Mark 452 days ago

The stats do indeed speak for themselves, and much like a dodgy politician Borthwick simply picks and chooses the ones that suit his narrative.
You don't need to be a coaching genius or analytical guru to see that Englands attacking game ( such as it is) is very laboured and stodgy, they seem unable or unwilling to go through multiple phases before boot is applied to ball.
They will I'm sure emerge from their group, but they currently pose no threat to the top sides.

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JW 4 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Like I've said before about your idea (actually it might have been something to do with mine, I can't remember), I like that teams will a small sustainable league focus can gain the reward of more consistent CC involvement. I'd really like the most consistent option available.


Thing is, I think rugby can do better than footballs version. I think for instance I wanted everyone in it to think they can win it, where you're talking about trying to make so the worst teams in it are not giving up when they are so far off the pace that we get really bad scorelines (when that and giving up to concentrate on the league is happening together). I know it's not realistic to think those same exact teams are going to be competitive with a different model but I am inclined to think more competitive teams make it in with another modem. It's a catch 22 of course, you want teams to fight to be there next year, but they don't want to be there next year when theres less interest in it because the results are less interesting than league ones. If you ensure the best 20 possible make it somehow (say currently) each year they quickly change focus when things aren't going well enough and again interest dies. Will you're approach gradually work overtime? With the approach of the French league were a top 6 mega rich Premier League type club system might develop, maybe it will? But what of a model like Englands were its fairly competitive top 8 but orders or performances can jump around quite easily one year to the next? If the England sides are strong comparatively to the rest do they still remain in EPCR despite not consistently dominating in their own league?


So I really like that you could have a way to remedy that, but personally I would want my model to not need that crutch. Some of this is the same problem that football has. I really like the landscape in both the URC and Prem, but Ireland with Leinster specifically, and France, are a problem IMO. In football this has turned CL pool stages in to simply cash cow fixtures for the also ran countries teams who just want to have a Real Madrid or ManC to lose to in their pool for that bumper revenue hit. It's always been a comp that had suffered for real interest until the knockouts as well (they might have changed it in recent years?).


You've got some great principles but I'm not sure it's going to deliver on that hard hitting impact right from the start without the best teams playing in it. I think you might need to think about the most minimal requirement/way/performance, a team needs to execute to stay in the Champions Cup as I was having some thougt about that earlier and had some theory I can't remember. First they could get entry by being a losing quarter finalist in the challenge, then putting all their eggs in the Champions pool play bucket in order to never finish last in their pool, all the while showing the same indifference to their league some show to EPCR rugby now, just to remain in champions. You extrapolate that out and is there ever likely to be more change to the champions cup that the bottom four sides rotate out each year for the 4 challenge teams? Are the leagues ever likely to have the sort of 'flux' required to see some variation? Even a good one like Englands.


I'd love to have a table at hand were you can see all the outcomes, and know how likely any of your top 12 teams are going break into Champions rubyg on th back it it are?

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fl 7 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Right, so even if they were the 4 worst teams in Champions Cup, you'd still have them back by default?"

I think (i) this would literally never happen, (ii) it technically couldn't quite happen, given at least 1 team would qualify via the challenge cup, so if the actual worst team in the CC qualified it would have to be because they did really well after being knocked down to the challenge cup.

But the 13th-15th teams could qualify and to be fair I didn't think about this as a possibility. I don't think a team should be able to qualify via the Champions Cup if they finish last in their group.


Overall though I like my idea best because my thinking is, each league should get a few qualification spots, and then the rest of the spots should go to the next best teams who have proven an ability to be competitive in the champions cup. The elite French clubs generally make up the bulk of the semi-final spots, but that doesn't (necessarily) mean that the 5th-8th best French clubs would be competitive in a slimmed down champions cup. The CC is always going to be really great competition from the semis onwards, but the issue is that there are some pretty poor showings in the earlier rounds. Reducing the number of teams would help a little bit, but we could improve things further by (i) ensuring that the on-paper "worst" teams in the competition have a track record of performing well in the CC, and (ii) by incentivising teams to prioritise the competition. Teams that have a chance to win the whole thing will always be incentivised to do that, but my system would incentivise teams with no chance of making the final to at least try to win a few group stage matches.


"I'm afraid to say"

Its christmas time; there's no need to be afraid!

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