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Marcus Smith on that substitution and his England plea

By PA
Marcus Smith of England reacts during the Autumn Nations Series 2025 match between England and New Zealand All Blacks at Allianz Stadium on November 2, 2024 in London, England. (Photo by Craig Mercer/MB Media/Getty Images)

Marcus Smith insists England can take comfort in the career trajectories of Usain Bolt and Dan Carter as they come to terms with another near-miss against New Zealand.

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George Ford, Smith’s replacement at fly-half, missed last-gasp penalty and drop-goal attempts as the All Blacks left Allianz Stadium on Saturday with a 24-22 victory.

Including their two Tests in July, England have lost three successive matches to New Zealand by a combined total of 10 points, continuing their trend of falling to narrow defeats against top-four opposition.

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As they turn attention to Saturday’s appointment with Australia, Smith looks to sprint great Bolt and All Blacks star Carter as examples of how it can take time to reach the pinnacle of a sport.

“It’s not a coincidence that people win towards the end. Dan Carter played his first World Cup final at 33, sometimes it’s life,” Smith said.

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“Usain Bolt, in his first Olympics (2004), didn’t get out of the group stages. Now everyone admires him as a legend.

“International rugby is very different to the Premiership and the experiences we’re experiencing now are very painful, but we’ll be better for them.

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“Keep the faith. We’ve fallen again on the wrong side of the result, but we’ll learn from it 100 per cent.

“These experiences will tighten us as a group and it will be worth it in the long run. We will be better for it.”

Smith and Ford were at the centre of the most contentious moment of the afternoon in the 62nd minute when a fly-half who was hitting all the right notes was replaced by one who had not played in over a month because of a quad injury.

Ford has been and will continue to be a vital presence for England, but his missed tackle for Mark Tele’a’s 75th-minute try, as well as a wayward drop-goal and penalty that struck the right post, were evidence of a player in need of more game time before being thrust into such a decisive stage of a Test.

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A disconsulate George Ford – PA

Smith has no issue with the substitution, stating that it was the “coaches’ decision and I’m right behind whatever decision they make”.

He also gives Ford his full support, not least because the Sale veteran was hardly given the ideal platform from which to launch his drop-goal.

“Sometimes that’s the life of a kicker, we’ve all experienced that. It’s part and parcel of the job,” Smith said.

“I’ve learned so much off George. He’s an unbelievable kicker, both off the tee and out of hand. It was one of those days.

“It’s nothing to do with him why we didn’t win the game. It’s a team effort. Every kicker in the world has experienced that.

“As kickers we always practise the drop-goal, but it’s very different when you’re out there in front of 80,000 people and the All Blacks shouting ‘Drop-goal! Drop-goal!’.

“It’s an extremely tough kick. Fordy is a master of that drop-goal kick. We go through that scenario week-in, week-out. We practise it as kickers every single day but sometimes it doesn’t go for you. We’re all human and people miss.”

 

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GW 4 hours ago

But was it a bad substitution? At that stage, regardless of what Marcus Smith had been doing, England had scored one try instigated by Smith intercepting a pass and kicked penalties. When George Ford came on, the comment was that here's the guy who will close out the game and he was doing a reasonable job with the game plan. If his penalty kick went a couple of inches further to the left, you'd be saying that he's a hero, such are the fine margins.


I know that Stuart Barnes said that Smith would've landed the drop goal, but that's ignoring the fact that he'd missed 2 or 3 attempts at dropped goals in the first half when there wasn't the same pressure.


Saying that he'd missed Mark Tele’a when he scored the winning try is putting the blame on an easy scape goat when there were a number of tacklers who failed to stop him scoring.

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Flankly 14 hours ago

We’ve fallen again on the wrong side of the result

Why the passive voice? How about "we need to stop screwing up"?


In a game of 3 tries to 1, NZ gave up enough penalties for England to still be in the race with minutes to go. Repeatedly failing to close it out is not about bad luck or external circumstances. It's about not executing the basics under pressure, and that's a problem.

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Red and White Dynamight 18 hours ago

Attempted 2 x DG's, on penalty advantage. Missed both of them. Dumb rugby, when your best player reverts to an English mindset of safety first then horizons will always be limited.

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Mark 20 hours ago

Borthwicks decision to sub smith for ford was patently the wrong decision, moreover even having ford on the bench in the 1st place was an odd decision, given that he had been injured in the run up to these tests.

Lozowski would have been a more rational pick.

The continued narrative of jam tomorrow from this team Is beginning to sound hollow.

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Budhachief 1 day ago

I get what Marcus is saying. But on the other hand New Zealand played poorly and still won. They have a very young team,are also going to get better ,are learning their lessons,will be better in the future like Usain bolt blah blah. They're also winning the majority of their games right now.


England have lost a lot of tests under Borthwick and only got to a semi-final because of a lopsided draw.


This whole narrative of England are going to be great just wait and see is nonsense. Their attack was awful, rush defense kind of worked but still leaked tries. Where's the great? Maybe they need to copy what Ireland and France are doing because what their doing isn't working.

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JWH 1 day ago

ABs played 'poorly'. Alright buddy.

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OJohn 1 day ago

Borthwick you boofhead

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AA 1 day ago

I have a great idea.

With Borthwick making utterly stupid substitute decisions , again, how about subbing HIM off after 53 minutes, just when he is about to make the ridiculous choice to bugger the team up .

We could have ,say, Clive ,Rob Baxter , or even Steve Hanson , taking the decision to ,or not ,to sub anyone. In fact, my granny would make a better decision .

Sounds mad ,yes, but so was Borethwicks crazy ,mindless choice .

Will he even think he was wrong .

Dont hold your breath .

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Oh no, not him again? 2 hours ago
England internationals disagree on final play execution vs All Blacks

Okay, so we blew it big time on Saturday. So rather than repeating what most people have all ready said, what do I want to see from Borthwick going forward?


Let's keep Marcus Smith on the pitch if he's fit and playing well. I was really pleased with his goal kicking. It used to be his weakness. I feel sympathy for George Ford who hadn't kicked all match and then had a kick to win the game. You hear pundits and commentators commend kickers who have come off the bench and pulled that off. Its not easy. If Steve B continues to substitute players with no clear reason then he is going to get criticised.


On paper I thought England would beat NZ if they played to their potential and didn't show NZ too much respect. Okay, the off the ball tackles certainly stopped England scoring tries, but I would have liked to see more smashing over gainlines and less kicking for position. Yes, I also know it's the Springbok endorsed world cup double winning formula but the Kiwi defence isn't the Bok defence, is it. If you have the power to put Smith on the front foot then why muzzle him? I guess what I'm saying is back, yourself. Why give the momentum to a team like NZ? Why feed the beast? Don't give the ball to NZ. Well d'uh.


Our scrum is a long term weakness. If you are going to play Itoje then he needs an ogre next door and a decent front row. Where is our third world class lock? Where are are realible front row bench replacements? The England scrum has been flakey for a while now. It blows hot and cold. Our front five bench is not world class.


On the positive side I love our starting backrow right now. I'd like to see them stick together through to the next world cup.


Anyway, there is always another Saturday.

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CO 2 hours ago
Scott Robertson responds to criticism over All Blacks' handling errors

Robertson is more a manager of coaches than a coach so it comes down to intent of outcomes at a high level. I like his intent, I like the fact his Allblacks are really driving the outcomes however as he's pointed out the high error rates are not test level and their control of the game is driving both wins and losses. England didn't have to play a lot of rugby, they made far fewer mistakes and were extremely unlucky not to win.


In fact the English team were very early in their season and should've been comfortably beaten by an Allblacks team that had played multiple tests together.


Razor has himself recognised that to be the best they'll have to sort out the crisis levels of mistakes that have really increased since the first two tests against England.


Early tackles were a classic example of hyper enthusiasm to not give an inch, that passion that Razor has achieved is going to be formidable once the unforced errors are eliminated.


That's his secret, he's already rebuilt the passion and that's the most important aspect, its inevitable that he'll now eradicate the unforced errors. When that happens a fellow tier one nation is going to get thrashed. I don't think it will be until 2025 though.


The Allblacks will lose both tests against Ireland and France if they play high error rates rugby like they did against England.


To get the unforced errors under control he's going to be needing to handover the number eight role to Sititi and reset expectations of what loose forwards do. Establish a clear distinction with a large, swarthy lineout jumper at six that is a feared runner and dominant tackler and a turnover specialist at seven that is abrasive in contact. He'll then need to build depth behind the three starters and ruthlessly select for that group to be peaking in 2027 in hit Australian conditions on firm, dry grounds.


It's going to help him that Savea is shifting to the worst super rugby franchise where he's going to struggle behind a beaten pack every week.


The under performing loose forward trio is the key driver of the high error rates and unacceptable turn overs due to awol link work. Sititi is looking like he's superman compared to his openside and eight.


At this late stage in the season they shouldn't be operating with just the one outstanding loose forward out of four selected for the English test. That's an abject failure but I think Robertson's sacrificing link quality on purpose to build passion amongst the junior Allblacks as they see the reverential treatment the old warhorses are receiving for their long term hard graft.


It's unfortunately losing test matches and making what should be comfortable wins into nail biters but it's early in the world cup cycle so perhaps it's a sacrifice worth making.


However if this was F1 then Sam Cane would be Riccardo and Ardie would be heading into Perez territory so the loose forwards desperately need revitalisation through a rebuild over the next season to complement the formidable tight five.

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