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Martin Johnson explains his lack of desire to ever return to rugby

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England World Cup-winning captain Martin Johnson has revealed that he has no interest in returning to rugby. The 53-year-old, who skippered his country to glory in 2003, spent three years as head coach but resigned in 2011 after his team were beaten in the World Cup quarter-finals by France in New Zealand.

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That campaign generated a string of negative headlines. They included an infamous night out by some England players in Queenstown and centre Manu Tuilagi receiving a police warning and fine for jumping off a ferry into Auckland Harbour.

Johnson, the former multi-title Leicester second row, has only fleetingly been involved in the game as a pundit since leaving his post with England.

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Many feel that he still has much to offer but he insisted on the week of the 20th anniversary of England’s 2003 World Cup victory that he won’t ever be coming back in any capacity.

Appearing on the Evening Standard rugby podcast with Lawrence Dallaglio, Johnson explained: “Well, I was watching the (recent) World Cup final. It was down to a point. Yeah, I was thinking, even if I was supporting New Zealand or South Africa, I’d probably be feeling sick right now, you know?

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“I’m fine. I’m lucky we have done what we did [win a World Cup]. I watch my boy (Henry) play rugby, do a little bit of coaching with him and I’m happy with that. I’ve not got a huge desire to put myself through that every Saturday.”

Reflecting on England’s World Cup triumph 20 years ago, Johnson reckoned that the key attribute that set Clive Woodward’s team apart in 2003 was their hunger for success. “When you look at, you know, performing teams, they have probably all got similar values, maybe sort of expressed in slightly different ways.

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“But fundamentally, you need that huge hunger to be successful. If you’re comfortable, and I’m not saying this about any team anywhere, but if you’re just happy where you are, then you’ll stay where you are or go lower.

“You have to be hugely hungry to be successful and, you know, Clive had that. We had that. We were never happy and in a good way. We probably didn’t win as much as we could have won in those preceding years. We blew some Grand Slams, so it always kept us grounded. It’s never comfortable.”

Johnson added that the 2024 Guinness Six Nations will be a good time for current England coach Steve Borthwick to give the next generation the international experience they desperately need. “There is an opportunity for some young guys to come in and play in the team because we are going to lose.

“Sometimes the World Cup is the end of an era for quite a lot of guys, and this one is definitely one of those. There will be quite a lot of England players sort of ending their careers now and not playing next year, so there is an opportunity there and it will be a bit transitional.

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“We need our young players to come in and very quickly understand what Test rugby is. You know, it’s not Premiership rugby, it’s Test match rugby. It’s physical, it’s quick. People say to me, “Oh, I saw so and so play. I saw X, Y and Z play for his club team’. I’ll just say, “Could he play in that All Blacks vs Ireland game? Could he play in that South Africa vs France game? Could he play in that World Cup final?’

“Because that is what Test match rugby is about; you have to be able to operate in those situations. It’s not playing in the Premiership where you can flick a ball out the back of your hand and make someone look fantastic.

“Everything you do is important. Every error is amplified. Every action you take is amplified at Test level because you get to do less, but you have to do them absolutely solidly well all the time otherwise you will get your team exposed. There isn’t the opportunity to make up for a couple of mistakes. It just won’t happen. You’ll be behind and beaten.”

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JW 2 hours ago
The Fergus Burke test and rugby's free market

Of course not, but were not going to base our reasoning on what is said in one comment in a particular scenario and time, are we?


Actually, you are? Seriously?

Although Burke readily admits “I am driven by international rugby”, his final destination is still unknown. He could be one day replacing Finn Russell in the navy blue of Scotland, or challenging Marcus Smith for the right to wear a red rose on his chest, or cycling all the way home to the silver fern. It is all ‘Professor Plum in the billiards room with the lead pipe’ type guesswork, as things stand.

You yourself suggested it? Just theoretically? Look I hope Burke does well, but he's not really a player that has got a lot of attention, you've probably read/heard more him in this last few months than we have in his 4 years. Your own comments also suggest going overseas is a good idea to push ones case for national selection, especially for a team like NZ being so isolated. So i'll ask again, as no of your quotes obviously say one thing or the other, why don't you think he might be trying to advance his case like Leicester did?


Also, you can look at Leicesters statements in a similar fashion, where no doubt you are referring to his comments made while in NZ (still playing a big part of the WC campaign in his case). You should be no means have taken them for granted, and I'd suggest any other coach or management and he might not have returned (been wanted back).

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JW 3 hours ago
The Fergus Burke test and rugby's free market

As Razor should be, he is the All Black coach after all. Borthwick or Schmidt, not so much. The point I was trying to make is that people are comparing Razors first year (14 games) versus Fosters first 14 games, which were over two years and happened to conclude just before he lost all of his EOYT games (Ireland, France, England etc). Not to mention them being COVID level opponents.


So who were these 6 teams and circumstances of Marcus's loses? I had just written that sentence as a draft and it was still there after adding the prior sentence, so just left it there lol. So not bullying no, but left essentially to say 'i'm not going to find out of myself', yes. I thought I had already proved the need for that sort of requirement with the Razor reference. So as per above, there would be a lot of context to take out of those 14 games (those shared between Farrell Ford and Smith) against higher opponents. It's a good stat/way to highlight the your point, but all a stat like that really does is show you theres something to investigate. Had you done this investigation prior to coming to your realisation, or after?


Yes, my view is that England did very well to push New Zealand on multiple occasions, and Marcus specifically in keeping England in the game against Australia. Personally I think Englands results are more down to luck however. And as I said, I'm here to be swayed, not defend Marcus as the #1. I think I understand were you're coming from, and you make a good observation that the 10 has a fair bit to do with how fast a side can play (though what you said was a 'Marcus neutral' statement) and the same argument has been made with the All Blacks fascination with playing players like Beauden Barrett at 10 who can't orchestrate an attack like that in order to compound LQB into points. Even a 10 like Dmac is more a self creator than one that is a cog in a wider plan.


But I still don't think you'd be right if you've put down the sides lack of LQB (pretty sure I remember checking that stat) compared to the 6N as being something to do with a Marcus Smith side. We've seen other similar teams who rely on it being found out recently as well, I just think it's harder to get that flow on (lets not making it a debate about the relative strength of the hemispheres) now (hence said investigation into those games and contexts are required).


25 is also young, he is the best fit to take the side to a RWC. Ford or Farrell are not. Fin could be, but as you've said with Marcus, that would require a lot of change elsewhere in the team 2 years out of a WC. Marcus will get a 6N to prove himself so to speak, unless Fin gets in quick, I don't think you should want a change if you get a couple of reasonable results. But then you expect England to be in the top 3 of the world, let alone the 6N...

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