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Marty & Jamie talk about Warren Gatland

Radio Sport NZ’s Martin Devlin and Rugby Pass’s Jamie Wall talk about Warren Gatland potentially coming back to NZ, his chances of coaching the All Blacks and Sean O’Brien’s criticism of the Lions tour. Plus a run down of the Bledisloe Cup and Mitre 10 Cup semis.

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RW 13 minutes ago
Leo Cullen defends his position after Leinster's Champions Cup exit

It's funny you say that boet, it's one thing to say “We are the best team in the world and yet still do no better than your predecessors” and still fail at a QF game in a RWC for instance.

It's another thing to not only say but also to show HOW you are the best team in the World by winning a RWC twice in a row which is what both NZ and RSA have done.


So yes it could be arrogance on the part of Boks and Blacks but we have a legitimate reason for feeling that way. Whereas Ireland never have. In fact in terms of WCs, they have only ever done better than Italy regarding the Six Nations teams.

England have been in at least three finals, won one.

France have been in three finals, although they lost all of them, Wales have been in at least two Semi Finals, Scotland one Semi Final.

Even amongst your peers, you guys are at the back. So I don't see what reason you have be arrogant and yet, and yet you are.


Yes you win when the ultimate pressure is not on you. Pool games, three match series, autumn series, etc, URC and EPCR pool games. But when it comes to highest tier stakes, you don't have the ability to capitalize.


It's not how you start that matters, although it does help, but how you finish. I am reminded of Munster from 2023, playing seven away games in a row and managing to win all of them on the trot including a final. That one hurt because it was against my team the Stormers.


But the stats don't even help your case. So there is a difference between “arrogance” based on fact and that based on feeling.

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RedWarriors 1 hour ago
'Most complacent selection decision you will ever see': Barrett benching slammed as Leinster knocked out

I can read out the headlines to you in all the National Irish Papers and none were complacent. To say they were is a fabrication pure and simple. People (including you) saying that Irish media are arrogant does not actually equate to Irish media being arrogant.

Since Ireland beat NZ in the 2022 series Irish supporters have had to deal with these accusations of arrogance. Out of nowhere. If you wish the International game to grow then please dont make supporting rugby this unpleasant for emerging nations.

Lets look at the Wales match in the 6N. One Irish podcast took the piss. 99% were completely respectful to Wales a few actually doing useful research in which Irish successes could be transferrable to Wales and which couldn’t.

Ofcourse the internet lit up. Ireland were arroagant. The Telegraph did a big column on it. Their substantiation? The same off the ball piss take and some hearsay about one Irish supporter at the Ireland/Scotland RWC match.

Things were dying down when Pundit Brian O’Driscoll claimed he read the Telegraph article and thought Irish supporters needed to have a good look at themselves. Everything was about that one piss take. And so what? Every Scots and irish supporter knows that the Welsh took no prisoners taking the piss during their scores of victories over us over the years. They like a bit of fun.


Next time you want to accuse Irish of arrogance then read all the articles and make that decision. Otherwise its disingenious.

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