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Matt Dawson on the elephant in the room for New Zealand

Beauden Barrett of New Zealand looks dejected at full-time following the Rugby World Cup France 2023 match between France and New Zealand at Stade de France on September 08, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Shaun Botterill/Getty Images)

Ireland have the form, the confidence plus the weight of recent success behind them and are poised to do to New Zealand what the three-time World Cup winners have done to so many other teams in the past. That’s the view of Matt Dawson, a man who knows just what it is like to be part of a team tearing up the established norms of rugby lore.

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“All of a sudden New Zealand are in a position that every other nation in the world has when they play the All Blacks; now they’re feeling what it is like to play against by far the best team in the world, based on results and position and you know if you don’t get it right, you are going to be punished and punished really badly,” said Dawson as he looked ahead to Saturday evening’s mammoth quarter-final in Paris.

“That part for me is going to be fascinating to see how New Zealand respond. They don’t tend to ever have that feeling when they play against South Africa or Australia because they play them so often. But having a whole week, or if not more, understanding they are by far the underdogs in the game is going to bring a very different dimension to New Zealand.”

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The men in green have prevailed over the boys in black three times out of four in the past 23 months. In the same period you can add a Six Nations Grand Slam winning performance against England plus victories over South Africa, France, Australia, Wales… and just about everybody else.

That is more than enough to flip the aura from the habitual kings of the southern hemisphere to the strutting upstarts in the north.

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“There is absolutely not a shred of any of those players’ bodies that fear playing against the All Blacks, which is how it used to be and what it still is for a lot of sides when they play against the All Blacks. Because they have not only played them a lot but they’ve been successful,” Dawson said.

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The former scrum-half was part of the England side that crucially broke its own hoodoo by winning in New Zealand in 2003 ahead of their World Cup winning exploits, and he understands just what a difference recent results will have made to the two team’s quarter-final build-up.

“Deep down when you know it is a mountain to climb to beat the opposition or beat the All Blacks you spend a lot of your week trying to search for the way to do it and Ireland won’t be having to expend that sort of energy, that mental and physical energy on that, because they know how to do it, they just revisit old conversations and old places in their mind that they know have been very successful,” Dawson explained.

“That is a big leg up compared to the All Blacks who will be thinking, ‘how on earth are we going to break down Ireland’.

“They’ll tell us all that they are only focused on what they are doing but nobody has worked out Ireland. Nobody has worked out how to really put a spanner in the works for Ireland to (have to) work out what to do during a game. That takes a huge amount of time and energy that you really don’t have during a quarter-final week.”

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In contrast, Ireland won’t have been “flogging” their players but will simply have been “resting up, (doing) little walkthroughs, small, short sharp gym sessions and lots of recovery”.

The fact the Irish have been to seven Rugby World Cup quarter-finals to date and never further, does not concern Dawson in the slightest.

“I would be flabbergasted if that is holding them back in any way,” the Englishman said, before adding simply, “Ireland have proven to be superb over the last year or so particularly being able to negate those reasons for doubt, which I think stands them above anybody else at the moment.”

Once New Zealand are out of the way, Dawson predicts an Ireland versus France final – a game he would “certainly like to be at”. You heard it here first.

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Owen 432 days ago

Oh man, this showed up as a suggestion for me to read (after all the quarter finals). How embarrassing.
SA and the ABs (and their supporters) have learnt the hard way how to prepare for this stage, Ireland and France have just been dealt a dose of what is now familiar territory for us. And just like SA and the ABs, i’m thinking they're going to come back a lot better. The next 4 years are going to be great.
Hopefully these “experts” learn a thing or two as well, but not likely. The biggest question I have is, why are these teams not playing each other more often?

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Braydon 433 days ago

Hahaha well this article aged poorly 24hours later Mr Dawson…

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Jon 433 days ago

Dawson doesn’t understand it’s much tougher at the top. Ireland took that All Black pedestal and got a taste of what it will be like for them.

You’d think Matt followed Eddie’s ‘19 WC run enough to understand what it looks like. NZ had over a year to prepare for this game, Ireland are the ones that thought they had to do something different for it in 5 days of prep.

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A 433 days ago

Matt Dawson is consistently wrong in his predictions.
They are driven less by his considerable knowledge and more by his prejudices.
Needs to be more Bill Mclaren me thinks

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Jon 433 days ago

“All of a sudden New Zealand are in a position that every other nation in the world has when they play the ¨0¨; now they’re feeling what it is like to play against by far the best team in the world, based on results and position and you know if you don’t get it right, you are going to be punished and punished really badly,”
That’s a fair cop, but I’ve a suspicion Dawson doesn’t really understand what he’s saying. It’s Ireland that are going to have to deal with every team, like this All Blacks one, trying to play out of their skins to knock them off. They couldn’t deal with it this weekend.
As NZ know, the punishment can work both ways.

“Deep down when you know it is a mountain to climb to beat the opposition or beat the All Blacks you spend a lot of your week trying to search for the way to do it and ¨1¨ won’t be having to expend that sort of energy, that mental and physical energy on that, because they know how to do it”
Again, Dawson’s just a little bit off the pace. The AB’s have had over a year, not a week, to climb this mountain. That’s how it is when you take that All Black pedestal for yourself, people have you in their sights. You’d think, as an Englishman probably somewhat close to Eddie’s 19’ attempt, he’d understand that.
The AB’s appeared the ones to have had the settled week (longer than Ireland’s) trusting what they had been working on, and Ireland the one’s making last minute adjustments in tactics and strategy.

Ireland will come back even better and make Australia their new home in 27’, it could be that Cup we see our next new winner.

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Jen 434 days ago

ABs supporters get tarred as arrogant when this complete tripe gets thrown around.

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Rch 434 days ago

What’s a joke! Arrogant Northern Hemisphere crap. Getting sick of it.

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monty 434 days ago

I rank this amateurs reporting in league with the titanic sinking. 4 more years Ireland.

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Pete 434 days ago

You couldn't have been more wrong Dawson

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Andy 434 days ago

Watch the AB's turn it on in this one for a win. They have the big game temperament, Ireland will finish 2nd

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GrahamVF 54 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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