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Michael Hooper reacts to Scott Barrett’s controversial late-game call

Scott Barrett of New Zealand looks on from the players tunnel prior to kick-off ahead of the Autumn Nations Series 2024 match between France and New Zealand at the Stade de France on November 16, 2024 in Paris, France. (Photo by Franco Arland/Getty Images)

Wallabies great Michael Hooper was asked to comment on All Blacks captain Scott Barrett’s controversial call in the nail-biting 30-29 loss to France. New Zealand were awarded a penalty with about six minutes left, and what happened next has generated a lot of debate.

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Damian McKenzie had already kept the All Blacks in the fight after converting three penalty shots at goal after being injected into the Test off the pine. In the 74th minute, the replacement lined up another pivotal shot at goal with the visitors trailing by four points at the time.

McKenzie sent the ball through the middle of the uprights, which set the stage for a grandstand finish between two international rugby heavyweight contenders. But it wasn’t all sunshine and rainbows, with the three points on the scoreboard coming with a sense of risk.

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France sent the restart deep into the All Blacks’ half, and the visitors wouldn’t emerge from their side of the field in the final five minutes of play. Les Bleus’ wall-like defence stood tall while the All Blacks were instead left desperate for a moment of heroics from one of their own.

With time up on the clock, fullback Will Jordan was held up by some French defenders before the ball was deemed unplayable from the maul. That brought an end to the match, and so too the All Blacks’ hopes of going unbeaten on their blockbuster Northern Tour.

“Yeah I mean, we’ll never know, that’s the thing that sucks,” Hooper said on Stan Sports’ Between Two Posts when asked about whether the All Blacks should’ve kicked for touch instead of taking the shot at goal.

“I’m sure they’re probably saying now, ‘Now that we know the result, maybe we should have kicked to touch.’

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“But what if they take that three points, all they’ve got to do is get down within 50 again and they’ve got another shot at the victory which is probably a higher probability than scoring a try sometimes from 20 out.

“But we’ll never know.”

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As Hooper suggested, hindsight is a fascinating concept. Barrett could’ve been looked at as a captaincy genius if the All Blacks had scored after kicking for touch, just as he would’ve been criticised for not taking the points on offer if they had turned down the shot at goal.

It was clear not long after full-time that this was going to be a big talking point of the All Blacks’ next Test against Italy, with coach Scott Robertson addressing the moment during a post-game interview on the Sky Sport NZ broadcast.

“I’ll talk to Scott (Barrett) a little more about it,” ‘Razor’ said. “It was his call.” Barrett was also asked about the moment during the post-match press conference, with the skipper admitting he was “really torn” about what decision to make in that moment.

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“You kick that penalty goal then you’re one scoring play,” former Wallaby Morgan Turinui added on Stan Sport.

“Even when they’re on their own line, two metres out from their own try line after the bell trying to punch away, they know if they can get anywhere near halfway and get a penalty, they can win the game so it does do that.

“There had to have been a moment where they thought, ‘We can win the game here but going to the corner.’ There are lots of little decisions in the backend of that game too that decided the winner but also saying that France were very well deserving winners.”

The All Blacks had beaten Eddie Jones’ Japan, England and Ireland since leaving New Zealand’s shores for their end-of-year tour. Following the loss to France in Paris, they’ve already turned their attention towards an upcoming clash with Italy in cold conditions.

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Chesterfield 30 days ago

The dominant pack should be enforcing their superiority with maximum points and the psychological advantage of taking the lead.

You don’t get that by saying we’ll settle for three and try again you get it by scoring seven and trying again. Doesn’t come off every time?

No.

But if you’ve asserted dominance letting the opposition off and not trying to build a double score difference is wrong minded.

All blacks have traditionally played to build the unassailable lead not meekly win a single point victory.

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nz 31 days ago

kick for touch ....try to get a win . if didn't get the try then its all the forward team fault 😅 ...but at least we would be having this talk about SB decision making 🙃

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Ed Pye 31 days ago

Pure and simple, the kick was the right option - statistically, it's far more likely to get a penalty anywhere in the opposition 50, than it is to score a try

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Andrew Nichols 31 days ago

Eddie Jones ..still coaching England?

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SpeedUpTheGame 31 days ago

There is a lot of discussion about the penalty in the 73rd minute and the decision to go for the posts. What about the penalties awarded to NZ in the 52nd, 61st and 66th minutes?


In those instances, they were behind by 3 points, 7 points and 3 points, respectively. In all of those opportunities, NZ was deep in French territory and was breaking the line with relative ease. Every time they were in the French 22, they took the easy option with the 3 points. A try was needed to take the lead and apply scoreboard pressure. And it felt like if they just kept the pressure on in the French 22, it was going to come.


But instead, the cycle kept repeating where NZ took the 3, France kicked deep into NZ territory and got unlucky with dubious calls against them (2 by the TMO), which kept them in front.


Scott Barrett is a great player but lacks the confidence to be captain. It was so obvious in real time that they were the wrong calls, and that's why Razor berated him in the immediate on-field interview.

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Cantab 31 days ago

Lose by 4 instead of 1 doesn't make a lot of difference. A kick to the corner would at the very least set up a try scoring opportunity. In actual fact it was TMO interference that cost NZ this game. I would love to see a referee overrule an over officious TMO intrusion occasionally.

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Nickers 31 days ago

He actually did just that on one of NZ's final possessions - the one that results in the break down the left hand field when Jordan throws the intercept that the ABs win back immediately, the TMO was calling the ref back for an NZ infringement at the previous ruck and he just completely ignored him and played on. Had the ABs scored from that play and won it would have been very contentious.

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Jordon 32 days ago

Why can't any rugby analyst remember the final 6 minutes of play? After exchanging kicks we broke their line and got into their half, Jordan had 1 man to beat with Clarke outside and threw it to a Frenchman. We then won the ruck and had numbers wide to the right only for rieko to drop it cold. The revisionist history is astounding.

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Nickers 31 days ago

Exactly, we marched straight back into their half and but for Jordan throwing that poor pass, and the Reiko/BB knock on, we are in possession in their 22 as a worse case scenario, but if either of those had gone to hand more likely we score of that play.


Against SA, Ireland, or even England who use more aggressive defence it might have been a better option to go for the corner because it's harder to get back down field against those teams, but France are way more passive on D and we had been carrying for big meters all night.


We were also owning their scrum, so even a knock on could have resulted in a penalty.

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CD older/wiser 31 days ago

Well said. The old saying, if the dog hadn't stopped to s..t it would have caught the hare.

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JW 1 hour ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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