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Mick Cleary: 'Jamie George is England's rock at the head of a here's-hoping squad'

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Come on then, Jamie, not much to do then. Chuck a few balls to target, anchor the scrum, hit rucks, smash attackers before whizzing upfield for the occasional gallop? Oh, and galvanise the fractured, downbeat, half-cocked England of recent Six Nations championships, inject much-needed glee and self-expression into the boys, shake off those blues and build on a few more layers of foundation work laid at the World Cup? That enough on your plate? Sorry, there is more, much more.

While you’re here, Jamie, can you do something to shake off the sense of angst and uncertainty that is afflicting the sport, reverse the tailspin trend which has seen your best mate, Owen, head for the sanctuary of club rugby and exile across the Channel, bring back some sense of empathy and connection for the England cause that had Will Carling musing only last week the national side no longer seems to be the be-all-and-end all for young players, a state of drift that is even worse across the Severn Bridge where Louis Rees-Zammit has fled the coop for Big Bucks American Football.

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No Antoine Dupont for the 2024 Championship, either. Have the crown jewels become tarnished and less precious? Something is amiss. The sport is in great need of an uptick, an injection of fun as well as fury, five great, rollicking weekends of tribal passion plays.

Jamie George
Jamie George played every minute of England’s World Cup quarter-final and semi-final respectively (Photo by Michael Steele – World Rugby/World Rugby via Getty Images)

That’s where Jamie George comes in. Of course his prime function is simply to step into the sizeable shoes vacated by his Saracens mucker and make sure that England continue with their brick-by-brick progression under Steve Borthwick, a project that comprises much scaffolding at the moment rather than yet being a thing of even modest splendour. Given George has had a few niggles of late, just getting bodies in shape for what lies ahead will be enough of a challenge.

However.

‘What do they know of cricket know who only cricket know?’ was a question posed long ago by the Trinidadian CLR James, a philosophical poser urging those who love their sport to look outwards as much as they do inwards. The question holds true today and while George should only focus on getting England’s internal dynamic ticking over nicely, the beauty of his appointment is he has always shown a wider appreciation for what is going on in the world. Rugby needs some love and buzz and brilliance and perspective.

We should have known there and then that Jones was a busted flush, ready to be taken away by the men in white coats.

The 33-year-old has always been well aware England have been underperforming. That he has never shied away from acknowledging uncomfortable truths has been very much part of his appeal. That sense of harsh reality has infused his play and he is sure to bring that cold-eyed vibe to this new England setup.

George as captain is a good move by Borthwick. Post-World Cup moments are always tricky. Eight years ago, England had no option after the scandal and inner turmoil of the 2011 campaign to opt to clean out the stables by appointing Stuart Lancaster who led a root-and-branch makeover. Four years later, of course, the desperate denouement of the Lancaster era heralded the arrival of Eddie Jones. Yet even he did not manage to sustain that early wondrous momentum and had to resort to preposterous grandstanding statements after the 2019 World Cup when stating he wanted the next England iteration to be ‘the greatest team to ever play rugby.’ We should have known there and then that Jones was a busted flush, ready to be taken away by the men in white coats.

There will never be any of that crazed bombast from Borthwick. His squad, though, is very much a reflection of what he is about. George is a steadfast choice, assured, astute, a rock at the head of what is a lively, untested, here’s-hoping sort of squad. The Saracens hooker, along with stalwarts such as Dan Cole and Danny Care, lend continuity. Leadership matters. An air of positivity as well as of possibility, is crucial at this stage. George is the right man at the right time.

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Danny Care, 37, has enjoyed an international renaissance and won plaudits for his World Cup performances (Photo by Paul Harding/Getty Images)

It is only fitting, too, that there is a nod to the future in the choice of seven uncapped players, raw talent such as blindside bangers Ethan Roots and Chandler Cunningham-South and wing, Immanuel Feyi-Waboso. We all know, however, this is just a start for them not an end in itself. They have much to prove. But at least they are in the mix and at least Borthwick has been true to that most fundamental of maxims in picking on form. Sure, you have to leaven that with a nod to past achievements of the veterans but it’s high time the Premiership was recognised as a valid indicator of worth. Jones never rated it and such short-sighted disdain was eventually to cost him and England dear.

There is far more joined-up thinking, too, in relations with the clubs, another Jones failing. The players who have come through have been properly vetted by Borthwick. There are one or two that might have made the cut, such as Northampton hooker Curtis Langdon or Bath wing Will Muir but these are quibbles as those selected in those positions are deserving of a crack.

There can be no complaints, either, of those who have been passed over, probably for ever and a day, the likes of Billy Vunipola and Kyle Sinckler. Their time is done for various reasons.

It will be fascinating to see how Borthwick shapes England’s attack, the biggest unproductive bugbear of the last 12 months and beyond.

Alfie Barbeary would surely have featured but for his indiscretions last weekend. Alex Dombrandt has to show now that he can replicate his clever, clattering style of play at Test level.

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It will be fascinating to see how Borthwick shapes England’s attack, the biggest unproductive bugbear of the last 12 months and beyond. It’s time to go all-in on Marcus Smith, paired with Alex Mitchell and alongside Ollie Lawrence and Henry Slade who has a mighty chance to show just how daft it was to leave him out of the World Cup. The Saints backs are purring and if Tommy Freeman or Fraser Dingwall or George Furbank gets the bit between their teeth over the next fortnight then they too will feature prominently in selection conversations.

The pack lack a little heft without the injured George Martin and Borthwick will be anxious about having a full complement of props to call upon.

But the die has been cast. This is a decent squad for the immediate future, a well-blended mix, and with just the right man to lead them into battle.

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Anthony 335 days ago

If you journos had stopped going on about the mythical and invisible “ control ford had on the team .only to write on the sunday the england s backs were non existant, AGAIN, he would have been dropped for a true class 10. ANYONE would do .
A more overrated player who waves his arms but cannot walk the walk i have not seen . The poor wingers who have come and gone after one game. They never saw the damn ball .
Sale have scored fewer tries and points than anyone but bottom team Newcastle .
The wonderful Ford controlling their game
NOT.
Please , please lets see true rugby players with ball in hand running at the opposition from now on .
This is a squad to raise the pulse.
Borthwick .
England Expects .

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Andrew 335 days ago

I think you're asking a bit much of Jamie George there bruv.
Let him work his magic on the pitch.

Maybe you and Will Carling can fix Rugby.
True, someone needs to. And I'm in no position to, but just as a suggestion: Pay per View.
It's an idealists dream to see Rugby freely available on terrestrial TV and expect it not to crash and burn. Pragmatically, the sport needs funding to survive; and to keeps out best players in the Prem, they need paying.
So put it on Sky and if you can't afford to watch it at home, go to a Rugby friendly pub and watch it there with like minded fans. You might just stop a few more pubs closing to boot!

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fl 21 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Would I'd be think"

Would I'd be think.


"Well that's one starting point for an error in your reasoning. Do you think that in regards to who should have a say in how it's setup in the future as well? Ie you would care what they think or what might be more fair for their teams (not saying your model doesn't allow them a chance)?"

Did you even read what you're replying to? I wasn't arguing for excluding south africa, I was pointing out that the idea of quantifying someone's fractional share of european rugby is entirely nonsensical. You're the one who was trying to do that.


"Yes, I was thinking about an automatic qualifier for a tier 2 side"

What proportion of european rugby are they though? Got to make sure those fractions match up! 😂


"Ultimately what I think would be better for t2 leagues would be a third comp underneath the top two tournemnts where they play a fair chunk of games, like double those two. So half a dozen euro teams along with the 2 SA and bottom bunch of premiership and top14, some Championship and div 2 sides thrown in."

I don't know if Championship sides want to be commuting to Georgia every other week.


"my thought was just to create a middle ground now which can sustain it until that time has come, were I thought yours is more likely to result in the constant change/manipulation it has been victim to"

a middle ground between the current system and a much worse system?

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fl 36 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Huh? You mean last in their (4 team) pools/regions? My idea was 6/5/4, 6 the max, for guarenteed spots, with a 20 team comp max, so upto 5 WCs (which you'd make/or would be theoretically impossible to go to one league (they'd likely be solely for its participants, say 'Wales', rather than URC specifically. Preferrably). I gave 3 WC ideas for a 18 team comp, so the max URC could have (with a member union or club/team, winning all of the 6N, and Champions and Challenge Cup) would be 9."


That's a lot of words to say that I was right. If (e.g.) Glasgow won the URC and Edinburgh finished 16th, but Scotland won the six nations, Edinburgh would qualify for the Champions Cup under your system.


"And the reason say another URC (for example) member would get the spot over the other team that won the Challenge Cup, would be because they were arguable better if they finished higher in the League."

They would be arguably worse if they didn't win the Challenge Cup.


"It won't diminish desire to win the Challenge Cup, because that team may still be competing for that seed, and if theyre automatic qual anyway, it still might make them treat it more seriously"

This doesn't make sense. Giving more incentives to do well in the Challenge Cup will make people take it more seriously. My system does that and yours doesn't. Under my system, teams will "compete for the seed" by winning the Challenge Cup, under yours they won't. If a team is automatically qualified anyway why on earth would that make them treat it more seriously?


"I'm promoting the idea of a scheme that never needs to be changed again"

So am I. I'm suggesting that places could be allocated according to a UEFA style points sytem, or according to a system where each league gets 1/4 of the spots, and the remaining 1/4 go to the best performing teams from the previous season in european competition.


"Yours will promote outcry as soon as England (or any other participant) fluctates. Were as it's hard to argue about a the basis of an equal share."

Currently there is an equal share, and you are arguing against it. My system would give each side the opportunity to achieve an equal share, but with more places given to sides and leagues that perform well. This wouldn't promote outcry, it would promote teams to take european competition more seriously. Teams that lose out because they did poorly the previous year wouldn't have any grounds to complain, they would be incentivised to try harder this time around.


"This new system should not be based on the assumption of last years results/performances continuing."

That's not the assumption I'm making. I don't think the teams that perform better should be given places in the competition because they will be the best performing teams next year, but because sport should be based on merit, and teams should be rewarded for performing well.


"I'm specifically promoting my idea because I think it will do exactly what you want, increase european rugyb's importance."

how?


"I won't say I've done anything compressive"

Compressive.

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JW 39 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Generally disagree with what? The possibility that they would get whitewashed, or the idea they shouldn't gain access until they're good enough?


I think the first is a fairly irrelevant view, decide on the second and then worry about the first. Personally I'd have had them in a third lvl comp with all the bottom dwellers of the leagues. I liked the idea of those league clubs resting their best players, and so being able to lift their standards in the league, though, so not against the idea that T2 sides go straight into Challenge Cup, but that will be a higher level with smaller comps and I think a bit too much for them (not having followed any of their games/performances mind you).

Because I don't think that having the possibility of a team finishing outside the quarter finals to qualify automatically will be a good idea. I'd rather have a team finishing 5th in their domestic league.

fl's idea, if I can speak for him to speed things up, was for it to be semifinalists first, Champions Cup (any that somehow didn't make a league semi), then Challenge's semi finalists (which would most certainly have been outside their league semi's you'd think), then perhaps the quarter finalists of each in the same manner. I don't think he was suggesting whoever next performed best in Europe but didn't make those knockouts (like those round of 16 losers), I doubt that would ever happen.


The problem I mainly saw with his idea (much the same as you see, that league finish is a better indicator) is that you could have one of the best candidates lose in the quarters to the eventual champions, and so miss out for someone who got an easier ride, and also finished lower in the league, perhaps in their own league, and who you beat everytime.

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JW 58 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Well I was mainly referring to my thinking about the split, which was essentially each /3 rounded up, but reliant on WCs to add buffer.


You may have been going for just a 16 team league ranking cup?


But yes, those were just ideas for how to select WCs, all very arbitrary but I think more interesting in ways than just going down a list (say like fl's) of who is next in line. Indeed in my reply to you I hinted at say the 'URC' WC spot actually being given to the Ireland pool and taken away from the Welsh pool.


It's easy to think that is excluding, and making it even harder on, a poor performing country, but this is all in context of a 18 or 20 team comp where URC (at least to those teams in the URC) got 6 places, which Wales has one side lingering around, and you'd expect should make. Imagine the spice in that 6N game with Italy, or any other of the URC members though! Everyone talks about SA joining the 6N, so not sure it will be a problem, but it would be a fairly minor one imo.


But that's a structure of the leagues were instead of thinking how to get in at the top, I started from the bottom and thought that it best those teams doing qualify for anything. Then I thought the two comps should be identical in structure. So that's were an even split comes in with creating numbers, and the 'UEFA' model you suggest using in some manner, I thought could be used for the WC's (5 in my 20 team comp) instead of those ideas of mine you pointed out.


I see Jones has waded in like his normal self when it comes to SH teams. One thing I really like about his idea is the name change to the two competitions, to Cup and Shield. Oh, and home and away matches.

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fl 1 hour ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Yes I was the one who suggested to use a UEFA style point. And I guessed, that based on the last 5 years we should start with 6 top14, 6 URC and 4 Prem."

Yes I am aware that you suggested it, but you then went on to say that we should initially start with a balance that clearly wasn't derived from that system. I'm not a mind reader, so how was I to work out that you'd arrived at that balance by dint of completely having failed to remember the history of the competition.


"Again, I was the one suggesting that, but you didn't like the outcome of that."

I have no issues with the outcome of that, I had an issue with a completely random allocation of teams that you plucked out of thin air.

Interestingly its you who now seem to be renouncing the UEFA style points system, because you don't like the outcome of reducing URC representation.


"4 teams for Top14, URC and Prem, 3 teams for other leagues and the last winner, what do you think?"

What about 4 each + 4 to the best performing teams in last years competition not to have otherwise qualified? Or what about a UEFA style system where places are allocated to leagues on the basis of their performance in previous years' competitions?

There's no point including Black Lion if they're just going to get whitewashed every year, which I think would be a possibility. At most I'd support 1 team from the Rugby Europe Super Cup, or the Russian Championship being included. Maybe the best placed non-Israeli team and the Russian winners could play off every year for the spot? But honestly I think its best if they stay limited to the Challenge Cup for now.

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