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More than one Pacific side vying for inclusion in Super Rugby replacement

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Until now, the former All Blacks-funded Kanaloa Hawaii venture has attracted all the attention as the sole known Pasifika side set to be considered for inclusion in next year’s Super Rugby replacement. Reports out of New Zealand suggest that another side Pacific heritage team has also expressed interest in joining an NZ competition, however.

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As the war of words rages on between New Zealand Rugby and Rugby Australia, the chances of the two nations teaming up to create a new competition to take the place of Super Rugby seem less and less likely by the day. Both unions have expressed interest in including a Pacific Island team alongside their local sides, however, with a tug-of-wear appearing to break out over Kanaloa Hawaii.

According to the New Zealand Herald, however, a second Auckland-based side have also put in a bid to play alongside the likes of the Blues and the Crusaders – and some heavyweights of the game are putting their weight behind the proposal.

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The Herald has suggested that during the process of trying to arrange a match between the All Blacks and a Pacific XV, a potential long-term option has also arisen, which would see a Pacific side join the Kiwi franchises in a proposed 8-10 team competition.

The New Zealand Rugby Players Association (NZRPA) is allegedly facilitating discussions between the team of stakeholders interested in setting up a Pacific franchise in NZ, including the likes of former All Blacks Eroni Clarke and Michael Jones.

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NZRPA boss Rob Nichol confirmed the option was currently being discussed but declined to give any further details.

While the venture run by the Kanaloa Hawaii consortium would likely operate independently but still be governed by the NZR’s tournament rules, this rumoured franchise would be more closely tied to New Zealand Rugby.

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Eroni Clarke was recently appointed NZR’s first-ever Pasifika engagement manager and has previously spoken about his desire to improve Pacific representation throughout the game.

“We’ve long had a desire to have a Pacific-led team in Super Rugby,” he told the Herald prior to the latest revelations. “The wonderful thing is we are drawing closer to the dream coming to fruition.

“It really does put a stake in the ground for Pacific people. It aligns with a lot of where New Zealand Rugby is but also global rugby and the recognition of Pacific contribution to the game.

“We’re much closer to it now than we’ve ever been before. It would open doors, provide opportunities, for the aspirations of the Pacific community to normalise areas that we haven’t been prevalent in before. It’s a wonderful opportunity.”

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While discussions between NZR and RA have stalled due ostensibly to the Australian board’s perception that their NZ equivalents have shown them minimal respect during the negotiation period, there are still hopes that a trans-Tasman competition could emerge from the rubble of Super Rugby.

NZR have effectively signalled that they would be willing to consider including up to four Australia sides in their proposed competition – but fewer would be more desirable. RA, on the other hand, are set on all five of their sides being maintained for the future.

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JW 15 hours ago
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I can guarantee that none of the three would have got a chance with Ireland in the state they arrived from NZ.

Why would you think they would?

Two of them were at Leinster and were bench-warmers when they arrived

Sometimes you can be beyond stupid JW.

Haha look who's talking! Hello? Can you just read what you wrote about Leinster to yourself again please lol

It took prob four seasons to get James Lowe's defence up to the required standard to play international footy. If Jacob Stockdale had not experienced a big slump in form he might not have gotten the chance at all.

I'm really not sure why you're making this point. Do you think Ireland are a better team than the All Blacks, where those players would have been straight in? This is like ground hog day the movie with you. Can you not remember much of the discussions, having so many readers/commentors? Yup, 26/7/8 would have been the perfect age for them to have been capped by NZ as well.


Actually, they would obviously have been capped given an opportunity earlier (where they were ineligible to for Ireland).


TTT, who was behind JGP at the Hurricanes, got three AB caps after a couple of further seasons acting as a backup SR player, once JGP left of course. In case you didn't see yourself contradicting your own comments above, JGP was just another player who became first choice for Ireland while 2nd (or even 3rd/outside the 23 in recent cases) for Leinster. And fair enough, no one is suggesting JGP would have surpassed TJP in three or four years either. He would have been an All Black though, and unlike in your Leinster example, similar performances from him would have seen TJP move on earlier to make way for him. Not limited him like he was in Ireland. That's just the advantage of the way they can only afford so many. Hell, one hit wonders like Seta Tamanivalu and Malakai Fekitoa got rocketed into the jersey at the time.


So not just him. Aki and Lowe both would have had opportunities, as you must know has been pointed out by now. It's true that the adversity of having to move to Ireland added a nice bit of mongrel to their game though, along with their typical development.


Aki looked comfortable as the main 12 in his first two seasons, he was fortunate SBW went back to league for a season you could say, but as a similar specialist he ultimate had to give the spot back again on his return. There's certainly no doubt he would have returned and flourished with coachs like Rennie, Wayne Smith, and Andrew Strawbridge, even Tom Coventry. All fair for him to take up an immediate contract instead of wait a year of course though.


It's just whatever the point of your comments are meant to make, your idea that these players wouldn't have achieved high honors in NZ is simply very shortsighted and simplistic. I can only think you are making incorrect conclusions about this topic because of this mistake. As a fan, Aki was looking to be the Nonu replacement for me, but instead the country had the likes of Laumape trying to fill those boots with him available. Ditto with Lowe once Rieko moved to center.

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