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'My arms are toothpicks, his are cannons': Retallick's greatest rival

Brodie Retallick of New Zealand during the Rugby World Cup France 2023 match between New Zealand and Namibia at Stadium de Toulouse on September 15, 2023 in Toulouse, France. (Photo by Catherine Ivill/Getty Images)

Across his 109-cap All Blacks career, Brodie Retallick played with and against some of the greatest locks that have ever packed down in the heart of the scrum.

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From Paul O’Connell and Victor Matfield early in his career to Alun Wyn Jones and Maro Itoje more recently, the 33-year-old has locked horns with bona fide greats of the game.

But of all the members of the engine room that the All Black has competed against, he views Springbok Eben Etzebeth as his greatest rival.

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Having both made their international debuts in 2012, this is a rivalry that has developed over time and has perhaps intensified with every Super Rugby, Rugby Championship and most recently World Cup encounter between the giants.

Stats-wise the pair are fairly well-matched. Both are centurions, both have a World Cup to their names, and though Etzebeth has two to Retallick’s one, the Kiwi has a World Rugby player of the year accolade to boast. Style-wise they are both well-rounded, ‘modern’ second rows- the Springbok may have his physicality dial turned to eleven, just as the All Black has his subtlety dial.

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It truly is one of the best positional rivalries of the last decade, and it is one Retallick himself has relished.

Speaking to Jim Hamilton on Walk the Talk, coming this week on RugbyPass TV, the Kobelco Kobe Steelers lock said that his counterpart has “been the best for a long period of time,” and therefore someone he always wanted to measure himself up against.

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“I’m not sure exactly how many times we’ve played each other,” he said. “But it’s over a number of years and obviously he’s a phenomenal rugby player as well and someone you try and measure yourself up against.

“My mindset is you want to be the best, and to be the best you’ve got to be better than everyone else and he’s probably been the best for a long period of time. So you want to measure yourself against a player of his quality.

“He makes it look easy at times. He’s got the skill set and he’s played over 100 games for the Springboks. To be still doing it that well, I think he deserves to be talked about like that.”

The difference in styles between the pair could perhaps be best summed up by a photo of them earlier in their careers, where the 120kg Retallick recalled the striking difference in the size of their arms.

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“There’s a great photo when I think we were like 22, 23,” Retallick sad. “And we’re both holding each other and my arms look like toothpicks and his are like cannons, and the number of times I got sent that from people like ‘look at you, you need to start going to the gym,’ and I’m like ‘I’m trying my best!'”

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B.J. Spratt 208 days ago

All Blacks V England. . . Good on the Poms. . . 16 - 15 At this stage N.Z. have as much chance of beating South Africa as I have as getting a blow job from the Pope.

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MattJH 209 days ago

Every time tempers boil over in an AB v Boks match you can put money on Eben being in the thick of it with a smile on his face. Legends.

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Mark 210 days ago

Very hard to separate these two. Different strengths but world beaters both. They epitomise the heart of Bok - ABs rivalry.

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dave 210 days ago

Two of the greatest ever.

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Utiku Old Boy 210 days ago

Love the rivalry and the camarderie.

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England were poor in the first three games of the six nations last year, but their attack by the end was very impressive, given they only spent about a month properly developing it. That's an incredible rate of improvement that then immediately stalled: why? The coaching staff didn't change, and most of the personell didn't change. The only major difference was that the best game management 10 England had was replaced with someone who had previously played a bit-part role at 15 or finishing off games at 10 when opposition backlines were already tired.


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to be fair, England did convert possession into tries in the autumn, the problem was that their attack was so disorganised it led to them (i) getting completely destroyed on the counter attack, and (ii) failing to retain possession, and so spending far too much time on defence - inevitably leading to missed tackles in the fourth quarter.


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