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'New Joubert in town': Questions over Telea's match-winning try left unanswered

14 Nov 2022

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Scotland fans have been left with a bitter taste after giving up a 23-14 point lead to fall to the All Blacks at Murrayfield.

A historic victory beckoned for the Scots after the side recovered from a 14-0 deficit to score 23 unanswered points but left a host of opportunities out there as numerous turnovers were had attacking the All Blacks line.

Scotland had multiple try scoring opportunities go begging as the All Blacks loose forwards secured holding on penalties at crucial times.

Many Scottish fans felt the turning point was a yellow card for a ‘deliberate’ knock-on when Australian-convert Jack Dempsey stuck an arm out for an attempted intercept.

Reduced to 14-men, the All Blacks scored two tries while Dempsey was off the park including Mark Telea’s second try which many felt deserved a second look from the TMO with questions left unanswered over the put down.

Savea's run makes Scotland bite in, Ioane somehow gets his hands free and offloads to Telea for his 2nd try of the game.
A dagger so late in the game to Scotland's hopes.#SCOvNZL pic.twitter.com/rnZqrJ71G5
— EK Rugby Analysis (@ek_rugby) November 13, 2022

The try was awarded on-field without a second look at Telea’s placement, which saw the ball bounce up into his chest area as he dove over.

Scotland fans felt it was necessary to have a second look, writing the put down was ‘never in control’ and a ‘suspect grounding’.

After seeing a replay of the try on the big screen as Jordie Barrett lined up his kick, fans at the ground ‘screamed blue murder’ according to another fan.

Telea never in control of the ball 😂 wow #SCOvNZL
— Lukhanyo Am Stan Account (@GoTeamGoSports1) November 13, 2022

Not a deliberate knock on, NZ last try suspect grounding, Graham tripped in last few minutes, Scotland persistently penalised on the line, NZ not in similar circumstances. Farce. There's a new Joubert in town. #SCOvNZL #TheRugby
— Steven Burns (@stevenroyburns) November 13, 2022

Funny moment from yesterday was when the crowd, normally dead silent in this part of the world during a kick, saw the replay of the last ABs try and thought Telea knocked on, and proceeded to scream blue murder while Jordie nailed the game-sealing sideline conversion #SCOvNZL
— Max Power 🇺🇦 (@jrodbourn) November 14, 2022

#SCOvNZL Loved seeing Scotland come back after the first 10 minutes, and they played much better than in previous matches. Last Mark Telea try didn't have the ball under control, though. Why didn't the ref check? Just asking to learn. Can he not question after awarding?
— Sue (@kizzy1lucy) November 13, 2022

#SCOvNZL once again scotland undone by poor refereing decisions. Never a deliberate knock on and dropped the ball for the last try. Big teams always have to win eh…
— Elmer (@ElmerFudd1978) November 13, 2022

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Tomasi 919 days ago

Scotland haven't just stopped at recruiting South African players, they're now seemingly recruiting their fans to complain about fictional wrongdoings on their behalf.

Herrmangerman 918 days ago

Lol:-)

Graham 919 days ago

I spoke to my bookie and he said that the try was fair. And that was before the game.

Shaun 919 days ago

Wow, not surprised as Refs these days have total control in who wins games now, but just to ask was this the South Afriacan Game cause according to fans around the world its only Springbok fans that winge about poor reffing decisions no other Nation does it 🧐 must be Springbok fans complaining on behalf of the Scots

Jmann 919 days ago

And what does "Ther new Joubert' mean? Joubert was an excellent ref. In 2011 he refereed one of the most worthy championship finals ever. It was close and the best team won

mg 919 days ago

this comment somewhat illustrates part of the problem. It doesn’t matter which team is better. It doesn’t necessarily matter if they played better. You can still not take your chances and lose the game. It’s not up to the ref to decide this. They need to call the game according to the laws. Joubert didn’t in that final

Adam 920 days ago

The try was clear as day. Controlled all the way down to the ground, what happens after that is irrelevant.

MH 920 days ago

of course, they ignore that Scotland were a mile offside leading up to that try as well.

Jmann 920 days ago

anyone who thinks that was knock on - doesn't know what a knock on is and should never comment on rugby again.

mg 919 days ago

Let’s make it happen!

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Comments on RugbyPass

Cantab 10 days ago

Teenager Braxton Sorensen-McGee reflects on dream Black Ferns debut

Although NZ won comfortably enough they weren’t always convincing and a better opposition may well have found them out. If our gun 7s players can translate their skills to the 15s game the team would have the ability to beat anyone. Need to be given the chance though.

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James 10 days ago

'Whisper it, but the Wallabies could out-scrum the British and Irish Lions this summer'

And how do you see the Wallabies loosehead / Lion’s tighthead battle Nick?

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dw 10 days ago

'Whisper it, but the Wallabies could out-scrum the British and Irish Lions this summer'

Also interested in your thoughts on A Bell. Haven't noticed many scrum issues recently. He also seems to play 60 or so mins every game. A bit of a fan (even though he’s a tah..) but wondered if the Lions would target his scrummaging

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dw 10 days ago

'Whisper it, but the Wallabies could out-scrum the British and Irish Lions this summer'

True. And you look at how the European coaches have got so much out of skelton and how much the local fans love him…and then some Oz fans will still say “he played poorly for the tahs I'm 2015!”

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dw 10 days ago

'Whisper it, but the Wallabies could out-scrum the British and Irish Lions this summer'

Thanks Nick but your headline has just jinxed us and reminded me of that night in 2013!

I love any analysis of the scrums such as the above. Cheers.

Allalatoa seems to be in good form and Nongorr appears to be able to hold his own? I think they will pick Tupou regardless of form. After Friday night I am concerned he could be sent off in the first five mins of the test though! He got too pumped up and hit a player high and was carded

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RedWarriors 10 days ago

'Most complacent selection decision you will ever see': Barrett benching slammed as Leinster knocked out

I watched the mainstream NZ pundits eg Mils Muliaina and they DID back NZ to win almost to a man.

Ireland will talk their team up as anyone would with the caveats we are playing the ABs and match was de facto 50:50, That is not the same as dismissing the opposition. EG After the quarter John Kirwan said he was sorry France didn’t win versus SA becuase a ‘France-NZ final would be perfect. (The semis had not even been played yet, England and Argentina completely dismissed! He didn’t even realize his own arrogance) NZ are not even aware of the arrogance they exude. Has no Kiwi politely asked the national team to take down the ‘Superstars and Humble Heroes’ boasting on the AB site? Its cringeworthy stuff. Do NZ really see themselves like this?

Note all this BS about Irish arrogance started just after NZs defeat in the 2022 series. Not a coincidence.

Also: this is Irish national TV. We will talk our team up as everyone does. We care too much about judgemental and thin skinned Kiwis getting offended.

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JM 10 days ago

'Whisper it, but the Wallabies could out-scrum the British and Irish Lions this summer'

Aussie rugby fans are obsessed with players they hate, for whatever reason.

Michael Hooper is another one, and the hatred only increased whenever he won John Eales medals or the two times he was nominated world player of the year.

I reckon it is because our forwards are technically and mentally weak they put it all on one player who they think should make way for the messiah.

Same for the general team performance and the hate put on players like White, Lolesio, and Foley who should be pulling rabbits out of the hat every play.

I reckon, if we had of had 5 players with Hooper’s desire and drive spread across the team (and especiallythe forwards), we wouldn’t have woken up in the bottom of the ditch.

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RedWarriors 10 days ago

'What he’s given to this club is nothing short of incredible'

He shouldn’t have been picked. Not physically able for the most intense matches notably in Twickenham last year. Giving him the captaincy was also a very short sighted decision then after RWC 2023. Ireland have a tendency to be a little too loyal, which can mean the team ages and the rebuild is bigger than should be.

Plenty of lads out there to fill that squad.

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OJohn 10 days ago

Geoff Parling returns to Leicester as head coach

Hooray

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Carlos 10 days ago

'Whisper it, but the Wallabies could out-scrum the British and Irish Lions this summer'

He was also a YC magnet.

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Carlos 10 days ago

'Whisper it, but the Wallabies could out-scrum the British and Irish Lions this summer'

Windsor-Faulkner-Price. 😊

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Mzilikazi 10 days ago

'Whisper it, but the Wallabies could out-scrum the British and Irish Lions this summer'

Ah, the Pooler front row ! Most legendary in the history of the , I would think. Max Boyce helped…”Here we. here we, here we go, with the Pontypool front row.”

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Mzilikazi 10 days ago

'Whisper it, but the Wallabies could out-scrum the British and Irish Lions this summer'

Would not go as far as whole house in our family, but for me, yes, W1. Loved playing in the scrum, love watching now😀

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Mzilikazi 10 days ago

'Whisper it, but the Wallabies could out-scrum the British and Irish Lions this summer'

Yes, I see that article here on RP, Nick. That is good news that Schmidt is going to look at the o’seas players.

Yes, I would think you are right that LAR will qualify. On the same points as MP, but surely they are too good not to win this crunch game….could be tEnse for ROG in the stands though.

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BC 10 days ago

Who would make it into a Women's British and Irish Lions starting XV?

I would pick Oifa Wafer at 6, put Aldcroft in the second row with Ward. I think Wafer is one of the few non-England players mentioned that would contend for a Red Rose shirt, the others being King and possibly Neve Jones. Conversely there are two English players mentioned, Sing and Venner, that probably won’t even make the Red Rose WC squad, let alone a Lions Tour. Still a lot can change in two years, watch out for Millie David.

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Otagoman II 10 days ago

'Whisper it, but the Wallabies could out-scrum the British and Irish Lions this summer'

Great article NB, thanks. I would like to know what is the reasoning why so many things are penalties in the scrum. Is it to do with safety or something else?

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NB 10 days ago

'Whisper it, but the Wallabies could out-scrum the British and Irish Lions this summer'

👍