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New Zealand is accepting of the defeat from schoolboy-like All Blacks

Melvyn Jaminet, Damian Penaud and Paul Boudehent of France celebrate their side's second try as Richie Mo'unga of New Zealand looks dejected during the Rugby World Cup France 2023 Pool A match between France and New Zealand at Stade de France on September 08, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Warren Little/Getty Images)

Admittedly, the All Blacks weren’t eliminated from the Rugby World Cup.

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And, who’s to say they definitely will be?

After all, where there’s life, there’s hope. So, at least at this stage, we can’t say New Zealand won’t be left as the last team standing in France.

But I have to say I thought their tournament-opening defeat to France was pretty instructive.

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I’ve been watching Rugby World Cups since 1987, when I was 12-years-old.

Now, New Zealand’s never been defeated at this point in the competition. When they have lost World Cup matches, they’ve been knocked out.

That’s been the cue for a hue and cry that’s been pretty savage on occasions. So, yes, we can look upon Saturday’s 27-13 loss to France and say it was no big deal. It
wasn’t campaign-ending and that all the eggs are still in the quarterfinal basket.

France was always a 50-50 proposition and we now have to sit through a few pointless pool match exercises until the All Blacks meet South Africa or Ireland in the last eight.

Points Flow Chart

France win +14
Time in lead
47
Mins in lead
33
59%
% Of Game In Lead
41%
52%
Possession Last 10 min
48%
8
Points Last 10 min
0

Lose that game and maybe then we’ll get a more visceral reaction from fans and media. But I won’t be surprised if we do.

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I think under coach Ian Foster’s tenure we’ve become accustomed to defeat. We don’t necessarily accept it, but we expect it.

Hence the shrugs of shoulders I’ve had from people at work, the golf club, kids’ sport and social gatherings in recent days.

We are sadly, it appears, increasingly conditioned to failure.

As I watched the All Blacks play France, I wasn’t focused on the result. I simply wanted to see some effort. For the team not to roll over and play dead as soon as things got a bit difficult.

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To me, that’s how badly this empire has crumbled.

I’ve seen lots of schoolboy rugby in my time. Plenty of teams who look very efficient when they’re on the front foot, but panic when they’re not.

That’s understandable. They’re boys, after all. You can’t put old heads on young shoulders.

So what’s the All Blacks’ excuse?

This is why I’ve been so critical of Foster for so long.

I saw him talk – yet again – about lessons and hard truths after Saturday’s loss. Well, the losses are mounting under his stewardship and nothing appears to have been learnt from any of them.

Schoolboys aren’t full-time. They don’t have an army of allegedly elite coaches at their disposal and unlimited resources.

Sure, there’s some video analysis and various meetings, but at a very rudimentary level compared to the All Blacks.

If the All Blacks are coached, you wouldn’t know it at times. If they have any game plans, they’re not obvious.

No, as time ticked away at Stade de France, our All Blacks played with all the clarity and aplomb of an average 1st XV.

Kick after kick after kick, neither for territory, nor with any great hope of being regathered either. Just giving the ball away because you don’t know what else to do.

All those training sessions, all those meetings, all those “lessons’’ that the coach continually talks about and the team serves up that?

It makes you wonder what they do all day.

But, hey, they’re still in the tournament, still talking about hard truths and still trying to give us the impression that there’s some method to this madness.

There’s a rugby team in there somewhere, it’s just that it might take Scott Robertson to find it.

In the meantime, the Rugby World Cup remains up for grabs. It’s just that, from a New Zealand point of view, I think we’d all be shocked if the All Blacks actually won it.

It’s the defeats we’re better-prepared for these days.

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rod 464 days ago

Hamish I like your articles but are you really serious in your assumptions about how bad the ABs are? Yes they were outplayed in the second half against France but without 4 key players, and a game with 27 minutes of play? The monsters in NH rugby might get a shock when the ABs get all their top players back. I’m hoping sooner than later! After the next game they have a 2 week break and I’m sure they will play their top team against Italy & Uruguay

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Jon 464 days ago

pointless pool match exercises
I think you're in another dimension Hamish.

New Zealand need all the games they can get to find their mojo this time around.

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Billy 465 days ago

Yup, very true ... Fozzie, man - how could NZR do this. Worst part is that the current AB players are not half bad individually but they've been wasted over these last 4 years by a mediocre coach and who knows whether the next generation will have players of this ilk. Do you want to tell me that Boks, Irish or French players have significantly more talent than ABs? That Ramos is better than BBB. That Ntamack is that much better than Mounga. Aldritt than Savea ... the list goes on and on to tell you something about the coaching. You have to give Andy Farrell kudos - of all these teams he has the players that hardly stand out talentwise and look what he's been able to do with that bunch.

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Dave 465 days ago

Nothing is definitive until the 1/4s, the way they're playing makes you wonder if there is tactics in there somewhere, certainly not giving much away, only hope there is plenty to bring to the table later, I am sure hoping so then won't be too surprised if they do

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Emery Ambrose 465 days ago

So many articles on rugby nowadays are fueled by opinion. How the article writer views it.
There's no analysis anymore, dissecting why they did that, whether it be done differently etc if it didnt work.
High performance coaches aren't going to tell media and by extension, other coaches what there plans are.
There's plans for everything, reasons for game play, if you don't understand that, you don't understand rugby.

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Willie 465 days ago

Excellent analysis.
I've put a line through 2023 for the simple reason this team is incapable of putting successive good performances together against strong opposition.
Looking forward to 2024 with the best players selected in position and them knowing their role on the paddock.

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Forward pass 465 days ago

Does writing crap about your own team excite you Hamish? Its bloody sad tbh.

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Don 465 days ago

Spot on - endless "learnings" will no actual changes being made.

Thankfully only a handful of games until this 4 year long nightmare is over.

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Pecos 465 days ago

No doubt about it. Foster has coached the ABs into mediocrity. Despite the positive efforts of Ryan & Schmidt the past 12mths, it's clear the team is hamstrung by the rot at its head. This includes a skipper who's been absent for about 50% of tests since 2020 & announced his RWC2023 credentials by getting injured, somewhat ironically, at the Captain's Run, & missing the opener.

There is no compelling evidence that points to the ABs winning the RWC. We are offered meaningless soothing words from Foster that the ABs "believe in our plan". The propaganda soft sell from the likes of Steve Hansen, Beaudin Barrett, others, is vomit-inducing. I expect more "we are on the right track" hyped up nonsense when we beat Namibia, Uruguay, & Italy, as expected.

In reality, I, like others, cling on to a RWC win by our fingernails with hope, not faith. Sadly, I agree with the sentiments of this article. A play-off loss will likely be mostly greeted with a shoulder shrug probably followed by the self-soothing mantra "at least we've still got the Bledisloe Cup".

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Michael 465 days ago

Finally a journalist who is speaks some common sense! And addresses some of the issues.

As an AB fan, listening to Fozzie, and increasingly to Ryan is so frustrating - hearing the same old drivel about "our learnings".

For four years we have been listening to these "learnings" only to see the same old mistakes and psychological weaknesses. For four years Fozzie has remained clueless how to motivate this team.

The journalist was spot on when he stated: Kick after kick after kick, neither for territory, nor with any great hope of being regathered either. Just giving the ball away because they didn't know what else to do.

But this has been happening for the last 2-3 years aimless "nowhere kicks" - poor team selections consistently playing players out of position - backrow failing to win the breakdowns - then aimless kicks, aimless kicks, aimless kicks - then there is the white line fever, where every forward tries to barge themselves over the line from a standstill - same old problems

Let's get the quarter final over with - on the 23rd September Ireland play Boks so we will know finally what we already know, we will be playing Ireland in the quarter final, because they have the pack and the wiley Johnny Sexton that can over come Rassie and his water boy tactics

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JW 5 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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