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'On the field a total disaster. Off the field, a total disaster... a nadir for American rugby'

Dino Waldren #18 of the USA Eagles looks on against the New Zealand All Blacks during the second half at FedExField (Photo by Patrick Smith/Getty Images)

A former USA Eagle has branded America’s annihilation at the hands the All Blacks a ‘nadir’ for the sport in the United States and a much-needed wake-up call for the union.

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Ian Foster’s All Blacks routed their hosts 104 – 14 in an utterly one-sided affair. The Eagles – who were shorn of many of their internationals and relying on MLR players – were put to the sword with minimal fuss at the FedEx Field in Washington DC. It’s a difficult scoreline to digest for USA Rugby, who recently announced their ambitions of hosting the 2031 Rugby World Cup.

Tony Ridnell – who was speaking on the American-based Rugby Wrap-Up podcast with Matt McCarthy – described the thrashing in the capital as the low point in what was a dire weekend for a number of America’s national teams.

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“On the day on Saturday, it was a slap in the face. The All Blacks were athletically superior to us, one through 15.

“For an America team to look like that athletically… just looking at the opening kick-off. One phase, All Blacks score.

“There were several tries that were scored that looked like the All Blacks were in a training run playing against a defensive side that was playing 50 per cent speed, which is the way we used to train.”

Ridnell, who won 14 caps for the Eagles in the 1980s and 90s, suggests the humiliating loss must serve as a call to action for American rugby.

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“I don’t think we should get down or really bummed out by any individual, about any coaching, whatever, but we have to recognise this is a nadir for American rugby.

“Our Junior Selects lost to Brazil, 33 to 20, down in Brazil to a Brazilian junior team. That’s bordering on the point of disgraceful.

“Losing to Uruguay the way we did, it’s bordering on the point of disgraceful.

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“It’s all the things leading up to this time, for us to be slapped in the face like we did this weekend. That might be the only optimistic thing to take away from the weekend, the fact that if we are going to bid for a Rugby World Cup in 2031, the kids that going to play at that World Cup at ages 15 to 18.

“That tells me that we need to put every single resource we can into growing and developing the high school game.

“This match – in my opinion –  on the field a total disaster. Off the field, a total disaster.

“We made less than $200,000 dollars net. The All Blacks made 1.3 million and the promoters made seven figures as well.”

Josh Lord in his debut appearance for the All Blacks. (Photo by Greg Fiume/Photosport)

Ridnell even suggested that All Blacks won’t be happy with the performance, despite the scoreline.

“Quite frankly, if I was in the All Blacks coaching set-up, I’d be a little disappointed in how that second half went. An All Black team turning the ball over 15 times, it doesn’t happen that often.

“To be realistic, the score was kind to the United States. The All Blacks could have put four or five more tries.

“This was not a [New Zealand] second team, if you watched the Rugby Championship, all of these players featured.

“Obviously guys like Whitelock and Cane hadn’t played in a few weeks. And they’re going to come out like mountain lions and they did.

“I don’t think the New Zealand setup would be happy with the way the run of play went. It’s certainly not going to prepare them to play Wales this weekend in front of 60,000 singing Welshmen.”

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Charles 1117 days ago

Agree. A disaster. What were they thinking anyway? To promote the game by hosting a certain defeat at the hands of the best team in history...., again....? Are we promoting USA Rugby or NZ Rugby? Besides, USA Rugby had to know their star players would not be released by the European clubs so why go ahead with it? Especially, given the poor financial return...

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isaac 1118 days ago

Dont worry US, Japan was in similar position....just continue to build on your MLR and also try and get fringe Pasifika players not retirees....alot of marketing needs to be done locally in the states as well on how to present the sport to the public and break the gridiron mentality. It's a slow process but you will get there. ..if you strengthen the structures of MLR...2031 RWC could be your year but please dont get the all blacks

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Lmaris 1118 days ago

Who is writing these contracts? Why was the match only available in the USA on FloRugby a streaming service that costs >$30/month and no single-match PPV available. Recent test matches were on NBCSports or ESPN available to virtually everyone with cable or satellite service.

Add to this the decision to move the USA leg of World 7s series from Las Vegas to Los Angeles, breaking a bunch of contracts in the process, costing USA rugby hundreds of thousand or millions of dollars more...

It is as if the board members' goal is to bankrupt the organization and kill the sport in this country.

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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