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Pat Lam hits back at 'personal' Andy Goode remarks on Genge and Bristol

Ellis Genge of Bristol Bears looks on during the Gallagher Premiership Rugby match between Leicester Tigers and Bristol Bears at Mattioli Woods Welford Road Stadium on March 25, 2023 in Leicester, England. (Photo by James Baylis for Malcolm Couzens/Getty Images)

Bristol Bears director of rugby Pat Lam has hit back at comments made by former England flyhalf Andy Goode on The Rugby Pod suggesting that there is an issue with empathy and team spirit within the squad.

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Bristol Bears have had a mixed season in the 2022/23 Premiership Rugby so far, currently sitting in 7th place with 41 points. They have won 7 games, drawn 1, and lost 9 and their points difference is -19, having scored 438 points and conceded 457.

The Bears have however scored the 4th highest number of tries (56) in the league so far.

Speaking on The Rugby Pod, RugbyPass columnist Goode said that were ‘rumbling’ coming from Bristol about the state of affairs at the club and referenced rumours that former Wasps boss Lee Blackett might be in line to take over from Lam.

He also questioned Ellis Genge’s performance against his former team – Leicester Tigers – in which Goode felt the Test prop didn’t fire-up despite playing his former teammates.

“Leicester’s ex-captain coming back, he is a Bristol boy, first time back at Welford Road and I have been there, I played at Leicester for 10 years and the first time I ever came back to Welford Road as an away player at the end of my 10-year tenure I got sent off because I booted Tom Croft in the face – the emotions get hold of you.

“So, Ellis Genge is coming on and I’m thinking he is going to do something. He is going to get angry; he is going to be aggressive at the breakdown, he is going to try and dominate the scrum. He got hosed at scrum time because as soon as he came on, Richard Wigglesworth brought Dan Cole on. Cole absolutely shoved his [Genge’s] head up his own arse. Genge looked like he wasn’t interested. He was basically patting all the Leicester lads on the back as if he was still a Leicester player but in a Bristol jersey.

“The only time he got angry at the end of the game was when Leicester scored a try right at the death and James Cronin is giving him some stick and then they start headbutting and I think there were fingers around the eye area and he got a bit angry towards the end but really surprised. It was like he wasn’t bothered – and I think that is the same for a few of the Bristol boys.

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“I think there is a big issue there at Bristol around the empathy and the team spirit within the squad and there is some sort of breakdown there. Yes, they have won a few games recently, but we have said it for a while, there is something not right there, and the fact that Pat Lam is on a seven-year contract – it’s only down to six years now – I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a big change.

“Just rumblings and there are a lot of players leaving. Bristol have spent all this cash, unbelievable squad, but the hangover of losing that semi a few years ago when they were top of the league, got turned over by Quins when they were 28-nil up or something, they haven’t recovered from that. There is a bit of ill-feeling in the squad for various different reasons and if you are Steve Lansdown putting loads of cash in and now you are losing (Semi) Radradra, (Charles) Piutau, there is a lot of other players leaving as well, I don’t know. Big questions.”

In response to Goode’s comments, Lam told reporters: “I think the biggest thing here is, it sounds like it’s getting personal. It’s one of those things, the invention of podcasts and social media gives everybody the ability to say how they feel. Opinions can always be challenged, because it’s someone’s opinion. What you can’t challenge is fact.

“So when people make comments – if I go off what you’re saying about – whether it’s about Ellis, any of my players or if it’s about me, then it’s opinion, so we don’t need to listen to it. If it’s fact, then let’s have a look at it.

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“Particularly when people aren’t in the environment or see what we do. And that’s how you determine.”

While Lam said everyone is entitled to their opinions, he suggested that Goode may have stepped over the line into the personal in relation to comments about England loosehead Ellis Genge’s performances.

“It’s good for people to have their opinions but you go down a dangerous line when you get personal and try to say what they’re doing or not.

“That’s (Genge’s attitude) a given for us. I know what Ellis is like, I know what all the players are like – these boys care. I get the advantage of seeing what they do in the environment, how they work and operate and how they do things, and that’s how I determine it.

“I suppose, in a way, people are making their opinions on what they see on the field on that Saturday and all players will do things well, and all players can do things better and can be challenged on it. If you make a mistake, it’s not like the player doesn’t care. I’m pretty sure Andy and anyone else who makes those comments, the first thing you look at, like the big fella says, ‘anyone who’s never made a mistake, be the first to cast a stone.’”

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“The fact you’ve brought up something that I didn’t even know about shows you how I deal with this stuff. And that’s what I try to talk to the players and the staff (about). If you want to read that stuff, understand what you’re going to see. Understand that it’s a lot of opinions and the real strength of a person is being able to not see your self-worth based on what people’s opinions are.

“If you’re someone who doesn’t let other people’s opinion determine how you live your life or who you are then, mate, you’ll be fine with it. However, that’s easier said, if you’re affected by it, then don’t read it.

“The only thing that matters is the people who mean the most to you which is generally, your partner, your kids, your parents – those are the people that matter so just focus on that. When my old man tells me it’s not good, it’s not good!”

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GrahamVF 1 hour ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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