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The no scrum from free-kick uproar is overblown - Andy Goode

England's scrum-half Alex Mitchell (TOP) gestures as forwards take part in a scrum during the France 2023 Rugby World Cup semi-final match between England and South Africa at the Stade de France in Saint-Denis, on the outskirts of Paris, on October 21, 2023. (Photo by Antonin THUILLIER / AFP) (Photo by ANTONIN THUILLIER/AFP via Getty Images)

The law changes being introduced across the game in July should help speed up play, improve the spectacle and reduce injuries, what’s not to like.

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I thought the crocodile roll had been outlawed a while ago so that one’s overdue and everyone knew the scrapping of the so-called ‘Dupont law’ was coming at the first available opportunity so there’s no surprise there.

The most controversial one by far is making it no longer possible to choose a scrum from a free-kick and, despite the uproar on social media, I think it could be a positive move as long as we ensure it isn’t a step towards depowering the set piece and referees are able to police teams trying to pull a fast one.

I’m not sure I would’ve thought it was a problem that needed solving but I can completely see why you wouldn’t want all the time spent on setting a scrum after some more minor technical offences and I don’t think it’s going to drastically change the game.

Damian Willemse of South Africa, raises the Webb Ellis Cup (Photo by David Rogers/Getty Images)

Of course, South Africans are being vociferous in their view that it’s an attempt to combat one of their main strengths. That feeling runs even deeper after they opted for a scrum from a mark at the World Cup but that is so rare and I don’t think this is a response to that.

You can still call for a scrum from a penalty if you want and I do understand the concerns around teams with weaker scrums potentially deliberately infringing at the set piece in order to not have to scrummage but referees will surely be told to crack down on that.

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You can’t infringe more than once as it is without a referee awarding a penalty so we won’t see teams getting away with multiple early engagements and such like so as not to have to pack down against a stronger scrummaging unit.

As is so often the case with rugby, the laws are one thing but it’s the policing, interpretation and implementation of them by referees that will determine whether this is a success or not.

If they allow teams to get away with certain acts that are intended to deliberately avoid scrummaging, then we could be in trouble, but I’m sure it’ll have been spoken about behind the scenes and officials won’t allow that to happen.

I’m completely on board with the sentiments of those people that are concerned by this law change because I think the scrum has to remain central to our sport and not be depowered at all, I just think this probably won’t have a massive effect.

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France’s scrum-half and captain Antoine Dupont looks on as a scrum forms during the France 2023 Rugby World Cup quarter-final match between France and South Africa at the Stade de France (Photo by FRANCK FIFE/AFP via Getty Images)

As well as being a huge part of the game in their own right, scrums tire out the big men and create space for others to exploit off the back of them. They add to the entertainment factor rather than detracting from it and we don’t want to become a 15-man rugby league.

My main worry with this law change would be if coaches start outsmarting referees to achieve those marginal gains in the short term but if the officials are able to use their common sense as well as implement the laws, that shouldn’t be the case.

I can guarantee that coaches will be talking to their props and making sure they’re aware of all the ways they can subtly give a free kick away, rather than a full penalty, if their scrum is under pressure and that would then temporarily depower the opposition set piece.

Rugby is a multifaceted sport and teams should be rewarded for having a strong scrum so that can’t be allowed to happen and if it does, then perhaps a rethink will be needed but I think we should give referees the tools and trust them to police it properly.

Ultimately, this is all about speeding up restarts to improve the spectacle and that is to be applauded. Interestingly, there are law trials being introduced in certain competitions that include a 30-second shot clock for scrum and lineout setting and I think that’s where we may end up.

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Referee Hollie Davidson during the United Rugby Championship match between Leinster and Benetton at RDS Arena in Dublin. (Photo By Seb Daly/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

Either that or just stop the clock and restart it when the ball is put into the scrum and have a more American football style attitude towards the clock and it being controlled more strictly by the timekeeper.

As human beings we don’t tend to like change but it’s often necessary and leads to an improvement overall. The proof will be in the pudding and we’ll need to see how this all works in practice so I might be wrong but I think it’s easy to rush to judgement.

No crocodile rolls improves safety, players needing to put themselves onside will avoid dull kick battles while also tiring players out more and creating space and not being able to choose a scrum from a free-kick speeds up restarts.

All in all, referees need to make sure they’re hot on coaches and teams not exploiting these new laws to gain an advantage and protect the scrum from being depowered but if they do that, change will be a good thing.

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JW 221 days ago

The game was changing too much with teams trying to role the dice drawing fouls. Would be better if scrums and the adjudicating problems were resolved but this is a good immediate fix.

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myles hayley 222 days ago

Nice article

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Kara 224 days ago

Scrummaging is an integral part of the game. We might as well pack up and piss off to League.

Between the efforts of so-called administrators and referees, the game is becoming unwatchable.

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Reuben 224 days ago

All of the Moderna law changes have been to slow the game down, playing into the hands of SA and the north. Incentivising boring, negative rugby.


Brilliant changes. Speed up the game.

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CR 223 days ago

Brilliant if you want rugby union to become rugby league where all body types are no longer welcome. League is a game for jocks

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CR 224 days ago

Imagine you kick to the lineout, they give away a free kick, you have a great chance at a scrum, sorry sir you have to tap and go. Ridiculous

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JW 221 days ago

Give away a free kick how?

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HOFer 223 days ago

You don’t like using the rugby ball in rugby?

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Bull Shark 223 days ago

Yeah. I’d really like to know how they’re going to referee free-kick level infringements.


In your lineout scenario - the attacking team has setup a lineout. Presumably from a penalty?


It’s a <22m attacking lineout and the defending team gives away a free kick, to avoid an attacking maul. What types of infringement would give away a free kick in that scenario? That wouldn’t be a straight penalty? Numbers?


On the flip side. The attacking team’s throw in is not straight. The defending team now has to kick or tap and go. They’ll obviously kick - a pretty normal outcome.

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PS 224 days ago

Why do some Bok fans get so defensive when people have opinions on how the game should be played? Is it really necessary to take it as a personal attack on SA every time?

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CR 223 days ago

Imagine they say you don’t have to stay 10m being the lineout anymore. Think NZ teams will like this? It’s a clear ploy to depower the boks who won the RWC against the script.

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SteveD 224 days ago

If they hadn't suddenly deleted the ‘mark-kick’ I might just have believed you.

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Wayneo 224 days ago

It’s because we love the game of rugby so much Peter.

Any attack on the game will inevitably be taken personally by Saffas.


Anybody can see that law changes the past decade have mainly been to make Union more like League. At this rate it is inevitable that we are going to end up with a 15-man version of League.


Is that what the rugby fans want? I don’t think so.

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CR 224 days ago

Most of the changes these past few years have made the game worse. They don’t know what they’re doing. Clueless

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RW 224 days ago

Ah yes Andy with his “Goode” views. Oke might as well come out and say it, “I like seeing South African scrums depowered in order to give the rest of the world a chance”.


Somehow he thinks World Rugby always knew about calling scrums from marks and it just so happened to coincide with Damien Willemse’s call that they decided to change the rules.


Ah come on, if he can't see it then he needs prescription glasses. No ways, they are doing this for the betterment of Rugby. They want to clamp down on Rassie’s innovative skills than encouraging coaches to think outside of the box to try new things. What they can't count on is what Rassie will plan next.


I almost get the impression that once Rassie retires World Rugby is going to be scrabbling around trying to find their identity. Currently set at ARP (Anti-Rassie Party). Although I don't really care in that regard because they always a RWC step behind.

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JW 220 days ago

I normally try and reason or understand peoples view Roger, but if you truly think this change has anything to with taking scrums from marks, instead of just kicking the ball out, I cannot see myself getting anywhere.


I’ll just say this. It’s done to speed the game up everywhere else on the park where a free kick is awarded. If you get a free kick (like from a mark, or any of the other means) inside the 22 you kick it out, if it’s outside the 22 you’d always take a scrum (other than perhaps Ireland).

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BigMaul 224 days ago

Andy Goode just loves to be controversial.


Its boring. Let’s all stop reading.

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JW 220 days ago

Didn’t read it.


I mean, what could possibly be in the article that would be worth reading which wasn’t in the first half a dozen on the topic? Overblown comments though are worth reading!

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blue 224 days ago

Ah yes, the opinion of Andy Goode…


Andy Goode, the man who knows what some of the Irish players said to Eben Etzebeth after the QF, better than what Eben himself knows.


And, judging by this piece, the Grandmaster of clichés.

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fl 224 days ago

I’ve hated Andy Goode for a while, but i’ve actually grown quite fond of him since the snowflakes got upset by his words about liar and hypocrite Eben Etzebeth.

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LC 224 days ago

I think this is a fair view. As a South African I am concerned about the depowering of the scrum but let’s be honest, until the SA vs FRA quarter many people didn’t even know you could take a scrum from a free kick. As you say it’s going to come down to interpretation… until then we don’t really know how this is going to impact the game.


That would lead to my own objection. Do the unknowns of changing a law outweigh the cons of said law. With such an obscure law that most people had never heard of, one that had never really had an impact on the game in the first place is it worth changing to invite so much uncertainty. Better the devil you know then the devil you don’t as it were…

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JW 220 days ago

Take a scrum from a mark you mean Luke.


My objection is that you would comment on something you obviously haven’t thought about very much. First understand what’s happening, then come up with a possible unknown that is a con. Abstract thinking can be hard for those that don’t use it, but unless you’ve got something theres no point posting.


WR have obviously done that and said the unknowns do not outweigh the cons, all that’s left is to wait and see. What can be said now, is that we don’t have a lot of faith in WR making the right decision.

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fl 224 days ago

I think everyone knew you could take a scrum from a free kick, it happens quite regularly.

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JW 4 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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