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Sam Underhill's crocodile roll verdict: 'I don't think the game would be any poorer if they got rid of it'

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Fit-again England poacher Sam Underhill believes that rugby wouldn’t suffer as a spectacle if the controversial but legal crocodile roll was taken out of the game and made illegal. The breakdown manoeuvre came in for much scrutiny last month when Jack Willis was seriously injured against Italy in the Guinness Six Nations.

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Willis was called up to the England squad for the championship in January when the originally selected Underhill pulled up with a hip injury just before the squad was about to start preparations.

A few weeks later, Willis was left in agony on the Twickenham turf and facing up to a year out of the sport following damage to multiple parts of his knee when he was crocodile rolled away from a breakdown by Italy’s Sebastian Negri.

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That resulted in much debate about that type of tackle and Underhill, who has returned to action in recent weeks with Bath in the Gallagher Premiership, has now given his take on a manoeuvre that has caused serious injuries at times to the rolled away player.

“It’s difficult because there is an awful lot of times where it is used and it is okay and no one gets hurt and it’s fine but from my point of view, I don’t think the game would be any poorer if they got rid of it.

“The only reason you would roll someone is if you can’t get underneath them and the only reason you wouldn’t be able to get underneath someone is if you are late or if you are too high, so from my perspective it doesn’t need to happen.

“If you have got good technique at the breakdown, if you are coming in low, if you are coming in square and more importantly you are not giving a poacher time to get in, you alleviate the contest. Like, you can see examples, especially in Test rugby with good aggressive work at the breakdown, teams are in early and they are in low and they are clearing past bodies, that is also pretty safe.

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“Obviously you are getting hit but there is less lateral force and it is less messy. Yeah, I don’t think the game would be any poorer if you got rid of them [crocodile rolls]. If anything it would encourage better breakdown technique.”

It was May 2019 when England forward Underhill described the breakdown as one of the last grey areas of the game, telling RugbyPass: “If you’re trying to get over the ball and have two blokes who are over 100 kilos flying into you off their feet, it can be pretty difficult to survive that.”

Nearly two years later, the back row suggests that the breakdown has become a slightly safer player for poachers such as himself. The 24-year-old, who has 22 England caps, said: “In theory, yeah. At the moment refs are rewarding people when there is clear and obvious pictures.

“There is clear and obvious pictures when there is isolation, you are less likely to get steamrolled by guys coming to clean you out. The fact that those decisions are being made sooner is probably protecting people.

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“Also referees – and I have been done a couple of times this season for being too long and being off my feet which is something that jacklers have historically been guilty of – if you have got a guy competing for the ball off his feet, there is only one way that a cleaner is going to get him out.

“It becomes quite a low, quite a dangerous uncontrolled contest so I do think the way refs are reffing it now you have got a big emphasis on having your chest up and clearly being on your feet which also make it easier to clear you out, but it does make it safer.”

Explaining the subtle difference further, Underhill added: “It’s interpreted slightly differently the last two seasons. Referees are rewarding better pictures more. It has become more about choosing your opportunities.

“Can you get someone isolated, can you show the referee good pictures, can you be clearly on your feet clearly lifting the ball? From that perspective there is probably fewer but more obvious opportunities at the breakdown and that comes off the back of defensive work.

“An awful of good breakdown stuff comes off the back of your defensive work so if you have got a good aggressive defence, if you are getting off the line well, if your tackle selection is good and that is key, then those things open up but you can’t force that to happen.

“I don’t think you can chase things. When you do that does more damage than good for a defence. If you are constantly jumping into breakdowns and shortening up your (defensive) line that also is detrimental. It always has been about good decisions but increasingly so now with the way the refs are interpreting it.”

Watching England on from the outside in recent months having become a regular starter for Eddie Jones in the lead-up to the 2019 World Cup, Underhill said: “If you are not there, there will be things spoken about that they will be trying to do that I won’t be aware of. As someone watching from the outside you won’t know what is going on inside.

“I don’t think there is any insights I have gleaned from it. To be honest, I have been enjoying getting back playing (with Bath). It’s part of the game being injured and having to watch things. It’s frustrating as a player to not be fit… but there is probably no brilliant (England) insights I can give you.”

Instead, Underhill is focused on Bath and their hope of igniting a run of stellar form similar to last season’s post-lockdown restart which took them all the way to the playoffs. They are currently in ninth place, eight points shy of fourth-place Sale.

“It’s possible,” he said. “The good thing whether it happens or not it’s up to us because if we are as good as we can be then it is not out of reach. But we will have to put our best foot forward. That is the old adage – everyone is trying to do what they are capable of doing. We have got a group that can do it but we’ll see.”

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GrahamVF 25 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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JW 6 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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