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'Scotland by 10': Ex-England player criticises 'data-driven' Borthwick

England head coach Steve Borthwick (Photo by David Rogers/Getty Images)

Retired out-half Toby Flood has criticised the style of play being played by England in the Guinness Six Nations, predicting they will be beaten next Saturday by Scotland by 10 points.

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The English have won their opening two matches in the championship for the first time since 2019 and they now go to Edinburgh looking to build on their respective three- and two-point victories over Italy and Wales.

The 60-cap Flood, though, doesn’t believe England will continue their February winning streak as he hasn’t been impressed by the level of their performances under Borthwick, his former Test-level teammate.

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“Steve Borthwick and his data approach has made rugby detached and stale,” Flood told InstantCasino.com. “It has become very data-driven, very ‘Moneyball’ for want of a better word. Players are taken off because of GPS data to which coaches have become slaves. There is little feel now for the game; that is why we have this detached, stale game at the moment.

“Borthwick is so data-driven. It’s all about the metrics with him. He isn’t necessarily the most empathetic charismatic human being, so he relies heavily on those data and touch points. You can see England are trying to do something different. The problem they have got is that they haven’t had any clout at the gain line.

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“Without that, you can’t have the players they have selected – Henry Slade, George Ford and Tommy Freeman – to play the piano and orchestrate attacks. International rugby is often won by winning the gain line which allows those skilful players to impress themselves on the opposition.

“England are without a bit of power. They are running good shapes and they are trying to keep the ball in hand and attack, but there just hasn’t been that cut-throat nature from an international side. England will be huge underdogs against an irritated and frustrated Scotland side.

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“They should have beaten France, it was a ridiculous decision (not to award a try to Sam Skinner). I can really sympathise with Scotland. It looked like a try. The ball was down. There was no reason to overturn that decision. It was a real shock. They deserved to beat France. They played really well and look a serious side.

“Had they beaten France they would have felt something special was on this season, so hey will want to put their season back on track. That will really pain them and they will come out really flying because of their frustration.”

England providing the opposition will only fire them up even more. “They always have a chip on their shoulder, but it gets even bigger when England come to town,” reckoned Flood.

“Scotland’s hatred of England is genuine; they want to beat us more than anyone else. There is a real enmity. When any England team plays in Scotland the mood of the country, the mood of Edinburgh changes. There is a real level of resentment.

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“The hatred for England is there for all to see. Most nations don’t like England, but the Scots in particular, with all the talk of independence over the past decade or more, there is always a heightened atmosphere. A frenzy almost.

“If you’re English, Scotland will always turn up against you. You know it is going to be hostile, you know how much they want to beat England, more than any other nation.

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“It will be quite tight. England will hang in there for a while, but I think Scotland by 10 points. 27-17. It’s going to be an uphill battle for England.”

Flood knows what not winning at Murrayfield feels like. He featured twice away to Scotland in the championship, losing in 2008 and drawing in 2010. “Murrayfield is quite a soulless stadium. It’s more often than not miserable and wet. The stadium feels weird.

“Maybe it is the running track around the side. You do feel quite distant from the crowd. I have never really enjoyed playing there because the wind comes in and swirls around. It is quite a nuanced stadium.”

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Anthony 274 days ago

Fin
Insults.
The last resort of no coherent argument .
Pity. I thought it was going well.

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Colin 274 days ago

Borthwick and Wigglesworth were never great players, certainly no attacking instincts so how can they be expected to select the best players and coach them the best way? I despaired of selection under Eddie Jones and Borthwick is only half hearted in selection.

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Andrew 274 days ago

Overturn what decision? The ref “judged no try ball held up”. The Scots didn't “deserve” to win, they had plenty of scoring chances before the 80 minutes were up and didn't take them. You were a great fly half Toby but you aren't an international coach just another punter now.

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Anthony 274 days ago

Agreed . Bore thwick is not the man for rashness. Hence England have had either Ford or Farrell at 10 for the last 100 years and no-one else gets a look-in . Jones gave Smith a go but saddled him with Farrell calling the shots.
All the claptrap from Borethwick and George, both of them , that this is the new England. WHAT. When Care, Ford and Manu look like being selected .Same old same old for the last 5 years . Give someone else the chance to do better than this lot . Care excepted. he is just brilliant .
Spencer, Smith, Lawrence , Slade, Daly and either of the 2 wingers .
And just what has Mercer done wrong. Repeat of Simmons , Goode Cipriani of recent times .

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Turlough 274 days ago

Ireland are Leinster+
England are ‘English Clubs’ -

It is not possible to compete with accuracy and intricacy relative to International teams who have the evolution of complexity of club teams.

What is the quickest way to emulate a club?

England needs to pick players majorly from one club team (Northhampton). Import and bed their system. That saves years. And then gradually evolve over the saved years, until it becomes an English International system. No revolution when new management arrives, always evolution-don’t throw out the code! It takes too long otherwise to rebuild.

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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