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Scott Robertson explains Ethan de Groot's Ireland omission

Ethan de Groot at All Blacks training. Photo by Hagen Hopkins/Getty Images

Ahead of their date with world No. 1 ranked Ireland in Dublin, New Zealand have decided to leave recent incumbent loosehead prop Ethan de Groot on the sideline.

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The selection call comes after an England Test in which de Groot was ruled out for not meeting “internal standards”, which meant Tamaiti Williams returned to the starting unit and Ofa Tu’ungafasi made his way back into the matchday 23 on the bench. The duo have been retained for this week’s grudge match.

Williams performed strongly throughout his starts against Argentina and South Africa in The Rugby Championship as de Groot dealt with a neck injury suffered in the New Zealand loss to Los Pumas in Wellington.

The 26-year-old Highlander returned for the two Tests against Australia, putting in 40 and 51-minute shifts respectively. He was then overlooked for the Japan Test, with Williams and Tu’ungafasi selected.

“It’s a performance decision, those two performed really well,” All Blacks head coach Scott Robertson told media in Dublin following the team naming, referring to Williams and Tu’ungafasi’s efforts in the win at Allianz Stadium Twickenham.

The coach said the call was made to back the 140kg Williams on the basis of form throughout “the whole season”, implying de Groot’s omission is not a disciplinary call.

“He’s a 50-60 minute player, got a couple of tough calls we believe last week against him and he’s fit and ready to go so he’ll continue.”

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Those calls went against New Zealand at scrum time, an area they’ve looked powerful throughout 2024 while struggling to capitalise on that power. Robertson said his side have gotten the scrum results they want “at times”, but are far from satisfied.

“Look, we’d like to have eked out a couple more penalties, to be honest with you. And use it more as a weapon. We’ve put a lot of time into that and probably could have got a little bit more reward, yes.”

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The coach then expanded on where his pack have struggled and where improvements need to be made.

“Just how other teams have scrummaged against us, we could have adapted a little bit better, and probably adapted to the ref as well a couple times.

“Look, we’ve shown some really good pictures, I’m not looking to say that we haven’t but we probably could have got a couple more advantages out of it, penalty advantages.”

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While the Kiwis will be without form front-rower Codie Taylor, the Irish will be without stalwart Tadhg Furlong due to a hamstring strain. It’s an absence Robertson says could have an impact on the Test.

“Its Tadhg, it’s Tadhg that’s out so of course it does. It’s a leading question. You know he’s world-class, so we see some opportunities in it, yes.”

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Starting alongside Williams is Tyrel Lomax in the No. 3 jersey. The 28-year-old was keenly aware of Furlong’s absence, which he mentioned when Irish media pointed out that the Irish front row felt aggrieved over some scrum calls in the 2023 Rugby World Cup quarter-final loss.

“Obviously they’ll feel pretty hard done by, I certainly do every time I get penalised,” Lomax grinned.

“I think it’ll be a good battle this weekend, in the scrum and maul; they’ve got a really good maul. I think Tadhg’s out but Finlay Bealham comes in to start who’s a really good player as well. It’ll be a battle, I’m looking forward to it.”

The prop, who started that quarter-final and played 63 minutes, previewed what to expect from Ireland in the scrum battle.

“They’re as strong and stable as you’d get from a northern hemisphere side I’d say. They look for a good hit, a good second shunt. So, like I said, looking forward to it.”

Lomax, like Robertson, was adamant the All Blacks could reach another level in the set-piece after struggling early against England.

“Definitely got a little bit more left in us, I thought the way the bench came on and really changed the game with our scrum was awesome but us as starters laying a good platform for our backs and trying to assert a little bit of dominance early.”

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JH 45 days ago

WHEN will AB coaches teach the players how to make contestible kicks, not just kick the ball straight to an opposing player. Even from the kickoff.

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B 46 days ago

JR is the scrum guru and knows where the forward pack need to improve and the men who can perform the task.

Currently there are issues regarding Ethan de Groot that needed to be publicly addressed, and the All Black head coach SR has responded.

Go the All Blacks...Ireland have issues and expats too...onwards and upwards...

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Tom 46 days ago

England scrum struggled against De Groot but looked good against these two. Seems odd to say they performed well when the scrum was worse.

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GL 46 days ago

Hopefully it does not bite us...Williams is improving but he is no De Groot (who did amazing vs Ireland in QF)

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SadersMan 46 days ago

Well done coaches. Rewarding performance. A statement selection. Sends a great message.

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JWH 46 days ago

Shows that you can get in by performing exceptionally well. Should incentivize high class performances from some other players (IM LOOKING AT YOU BELL).

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Ted Ward 46 days ago

Disappointing loss for England. Are we to return to the Johnny Wilk days. Nothing more boring. No tries. Once the ABs get it together the score will nearly double and they'll be dambed hard to stop.

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Utiku Old Boy 46 days ago

Robertson showing it is harder to get put out than put in the ABs currently. Hardly bold. Rationale is still mysterious rather than obvious and a comprehensive performance has not yet been evident. Hard times for AB supporters. If the weekend against Ireland is unsuccessful, does he persist with the same make-up or are injuries the only way in?

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Toaster 46 days ago

I’ve heard it’s fitness issues or attitude for EDG

Had these issues in the past so looks like it’s rared its head again


Hope he sorts it out and it gives Williams a chance to prove himself after his scrum issues last week

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JWH 46 days ago

He still needs to build combinations. No sense in dropping a guy out of a combo you have worked hard to build up because of a couple of off performances.


I will say that rewarding Tamaiti and Ofa over deGroot is a step in the right direction, and hopefully they do that next season with the midfield, 10, and battle of the 7s.

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Tom 57 minutes ago
What is the future of rugby in 2025?

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It's incredible to see the boys playing like this. Back to the form that saw them finish on top of the regular season and beat Toulon to win the challenge cup. Ibitoye and Ravouvou doing a cracking Piutau/Radradra impression.


It's abundantly clear that Borthwick and Wigglesworth need to transform the England attack and incorporate some of the Bears way. Unfortunately until the Bears are competing in Europe, the old criticisms will still be used.. we failed to fire any punches against La Rochelle and Leinster which goes to show there is still work to do but both those sides are packed full of elite players so it's not the fairest comparison to expect Bristol to compete with them. I feel Bristol are on the way up though and the best is yet to come. Tom Jordan next year is going to be obscene.


Test rugby is obviously a different beast and does Borthwick have enough time with the players to develop the level of skill the Bears plays have? Even if he wanted to? We should definitely be able to see some progress, Scotland have certainly managed it. England aren't going to start throwing the ball around like that but England's attack looks prehistoric by comparison, I hope they take some inspiration from the clarity and freedom of expression shown by the Bears (and Scotland - who keep beating us, by the way!). Bristol have the best attack in the premiership, it'd be mad for England to ignore it because it doesn't fit with the Borthwick and Wigglesworth idea of how test rugby should be played. You gotta use what is available to you. Sadly I think England will try reluctantly to incorporate some of these ideas and end up even more confused and lacking identity than ever. At the moment England have two teams, they have 14 players and Marcus Smith. Marcus sticks out as a sore thumb in a team coached to play in a manner ideologically opposed to the way he plays rugby, does the Bears factor confuse matters further? I just have no confidence in Borthers and Wiggles.


Crazy to see the Prem with more ball in play than SR!

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JW 4 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

In another recent article I tried to argue for a few key concept changes for EPCR which I think could light the game up in the North.


First, I can't remember who pointed out the obvious elephant in the room (a SA'n poster?), it's a terrible time to play rugby in the NH, and especially your pinnacle tournament. It's been terrible watching with seemingly all the games I wanted to watch being in the dark, hardly able to see what was going on. The Aviva was the only stadium I saw that had lights that could handle the miserable rain. If the global appeal is there, they could do a lot better having day games.


They other primary idea I thuoght would benefit EPCR most, was more content. The Prem could do with it and the Top14 could do with something more important than their own league, so they aren't under so much pressure to sell games. The quality over quantity approach.


Trim it down to two 16 team EPCR competitions, and introduce a third for playing amongst the T2 sides, or the bottom clubs in each league should simply be working on being better during the EPCR.


Champions Cup is made up of league best 15 teams, + 1, the Challenge Cup winner. Without a reason not to, I'd distribute it evenly based on each leauge, dividing into thirds and rounded up, 6 URC 5 Top14 4 English. Each winner (all four) is #1 rank and I'd have a seeding round or two for the other 12 to determine their own brackets for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. I'd then hold a 6 game pool, home and away, with consecutive of each for those games that involve SA'n teams. Preferrably I'd have a regional thing were all SA'n teams were in the same pool but that's a bit complex for this simple idea.


That pool round further finalises the seeding for knockout round of 16. So #1 pool has essentially duked it out for finals seeding already (better venue planning), and to see who they go up against 16, 15,etc etc. Actually I think I might prefer a single pool round for seeding, and introduce the home and away for Ro16, quarters, and semis (stuffs up venue hire). General idea to produce the most competitive matches possible until the random knockout phase, and fix the random lottery of which two teams get ranked higher after pool play, and also keep the system identical for the Challenge Cup so everthing is succinct. Top T2 side promoted from last year to make 16 in Challenge Cup

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JW 10 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I had a look at the wiki article again, it's all terribly old data (not that I'd see reason for much change in the case of SA).

Number Of Clubs:

1526

Registered+Unregistered Players:

651146

Number of Referees:

3460

Pre-teen Male Players:

320842

Pre-teen Female Player:

4522

Teen Male Player:

199213

Teen Female Player:

4906

Senior Male Player:

113174

Senior Female Player:

8489

Total Male Player:

633229

Total Female Player:

17917


So looking for something new as were more concerned with adults specifically, so I had a look at their EOY Financial Review.

The total number of clubs remains consistent, with a marginal increase of 1% from 1,161 to 1,167. 8.1.

A comparative analysis of verified data for 2022 and 2023 highlights a marginal decline of 1% in the number of female players, declining from 6,801 to 6,723. Additionally, the total number of players demonstrates an 8% decrease, dropping from 96,172 to 88,828.

So 80k+ adult males (down from 113k), but I'm not really sure when youth are involved with SAn clubs, or if that data is for some reason not being referenced/included. 300k male students however (200k in old wiki data).


https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2020/07/28/212ed9cf-cd61-4fa3-b9d4-9f0d5fb61116/P56-57-Participation-Map_v3.pdf has France at 250k registered but https://presse-europe1-fr.translate.goog/exclu-europe-1-le-top-10-des-sports-les-plus-pratiques-en-france-en-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp has them back up at 300k registered.


The French number likely Students + Club, but everyone collects data different I reckon. In that WR pdf for instance a lot of the major nations have a heavily registered setup, were as a nation like England can penetrate into a lot more schools to run camps and include them in the reach of rugby. For instance the SARU release says only 29% of schools are reached by proper rugby programs, where as the 2million English number would be through a much much higer penetration I'd imagine. Which is thanks to schools having the ability to involve themselves in programs more than anything.


In any case, I don't think you need to be concerned with the numbers, whether they are 300 or 88k, there is obviously a big enough following for their pro scenes already to have enough quality players for a 10/12 team competition. They appear ibgger than France but I don't really by the lower English numbers going around.

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