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‘Not going to change’: Scott Robertson on crowd’s response to All Blacks haka

New Zealand players perform the Haka ahead of the Rugby Championship Test match between South Africa and New Zealand at the Ellis Park Stadium in Johannesburg on August 31, 2024. (Photo by PHILL MAGAKOE / AFP) (Photo by PHILL MAGAKOE/AFP via Getty Images)

Scott Robertson took a couple of seconds to think after being asked about the Ellis Park crowd’s behaviour during the All Blacks’ haka. As TJ Perenara led the team on Saturday, it was more than just the crowd that drowned out the visitors’ pre-match tradition.

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The All Blacks wore black armbands to acknowledge the passing of Maori King Tuheitia, with Perenara also paying respect to the late King by saying a prayer. But then it was time for the haka, with the New Zealanders laying down the challenge with Kapa o Pango.

To an extent, a hostile reception was always expected from a passionate Johannesburg crowd of about 60,000. It’s one of the toughest venues for away teams to visit in Test rugby for a reason, but the reaction has still come under fire.

Flyhalf Damian McKenzie certainly didn’t agree with the crowd’s behaviour during that moment after playing in Johannesburg for the first time. It wasn’t just boos or cheers from the crowd, music began to play at the world-famous venue as well.

But the one moment that couldn’t go unnoticed was the iconic plane flyover just before kick-off. It might’ve been unfortunate timing for the Emirates jet to fly over during the haka, but it was still a moment that ruffled some feathers.

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Drop Goals
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Carries
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Line Breaks
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Turnovers Lost
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Turnovers Won
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“It’s a pretty iconic tradition, isn’t it, in our game, and everyone has their own way with receiving it,” Robertson told reporters on Sunday morning.

“We’d prepared for that, it wasn’t the first time. They try and take their advantage on it, take away our advantage they believe that we’ve got in the haka, and I think it just adds to the theatre of all.

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“It’s not going to change so you just embrace it.”

The All Blacks didn’t let that moment distract them from the challenge that awaited. Just a few moments after the haka, a highly anticipated Rugby World Cup Final ‘rematch’ between two of the sport’s greatest rivals got underway at an iconic venue.

New Zealand looked far more threatening early on, with backrower Ethan Blackadder coming close to scoring on two occasions inside the opening 10 minutes. That set the tone for the early exchanges, with Codie Taylor eventually breaking the deadlock from a rolling maul.

Caleb Clarke scored a try late in the first half, and the winger was back on the scoresheet early in the second term. In between those two scores, Jordie Barrett had raced away for an intercept try that put the visitors in good stead.

But whether it was the altitude, the experience of the Springboks’ bomb squad’ off the bench or a combination of the two, the All Blacks couldn’t hold onto their 27-17 lead with less than 15 minutes left to run on the clock.

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Replacement prop Ofa Tu’ungafasi was sent to the sin bin and the hosts made the most of their numerical advantage with Kwagga Smith and Grant William scoring decisive tries late in the piece. It was one that got away from the All Blacks as they’ll be left to rue what could’ve been.

“We gave ourselves an opportunity to win probably the biggest Test in the hardest place to win a Test in world rugby which is Joburg,” Robertson said.

“There was so much good and then there were a couple of moments that didn’t quite go our way, a couple of swing moments and that’s footy, that’s Test footy, that’s the big stage.

“There was just some individual moments and just around that maul and just a little bit of offside stuff,” he had explained earlier in the press conference after being asked about the penalty count.

“They did put pressure in different areas and you’ve just got to be cleaner, you’ve just got to trust your system and yourself and minimise all those opportunities for them to be in your 22.

“Look, there’s some pretty upset boys and really, really upset changing room because we knew some key moments that we didn’t own in that past 15 but we had such a brilliant 65 (minutes) in their efforts and our ball play and everything.

“Our job now is to make sure that we deal with the things that we can get better (at) but also acknowledge what we did well.”

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JS 132 days ago

I found it disgraceful, made me squirm in embarrassment being a Bok Supporter. We were always taught at school/Rugby to respect the opponent. As for booing the kicker a disgraceful trend worldwide. The old values are unfortunately being destroyed.

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DS 133 days ago

Funny what upsets people. Waikato have cowbells sometimes and that drives some people nuts.


Lots of people hated the loud comments of English supporters in foreign pubs - so much so they would cheer for any opposition.


Fake injuries will do it for me and messages attached to an army of waterboys.

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Smt 133 days ago

I still cant understand why kiwis believe it is the Allblacks god given right to perform the haka on foreign soil. Fair enough on your own soil go for gold but on foreign soil you should only perform the haka if asked to by the opposing team. Otherwise why arent all teams allowed to perform their own culturally significant rituals (if they have them) before all games they play. It just feels like an entitlement that the Allblacks have that no one else has.

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Rooksie 132 days ago

U really think that we believe it's our God given right ..come on mate it's Tradition ..watch Samoa..Fiji.. Play ..we don't care if other people do their thing ..

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JK 132 days ago

France could break dance (see Olympics) and RSA can Kwaito

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DS 133 days ago

Include Fiji, Samoa, Tonga and the Cook Islands in your rant. It's tradition and if England want to introduce Morris Dancing then go ahead. Japanese go around and bow to the crowd at the match ending.


People who get upset by the haka have underlying reasons, such as thinking the haka has some mystical power or just a dislike of the ABs.

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Tk 134 days ago

As a Kiwi I'm greatly in favour of the haka, but really don't agree with those who get all worked up about it giving ABs an advantage. The home nations in particular make such a fuss of what their response will be that they end up giving us an advantage. It's a challenge for times of war- war doesn't respect cultural sensitivities. Crack on with the haka no matter what the other side or crowd are doing.

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TR 134 days ago

DJ to much, but the plane and singing of ole I think is turning into a tradition it self, all blacks need to deal with it just as other teams have to deal with the haka.


Great spectical

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DS 133 days ago

That "Ole" has been borrowed from Waikato who sang Mooloo Ole Ole etc. An outrage! :)

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SadersMan 135 days ago

At least the Saffas don't have those hypocritical "respect the kicker" signs at their stadiums lol.


Interesting fun fact - Protocol for haka etc in tests outside RWCs is the host nation issues invite, NZ, Fiji, etc accept or decline.


Spectators are free to respond however, which is fine. But I don't really see the point of 60,000 people drowning out 23 people tbh.

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DS 133 days ago

Silence of the lambs on goalkicks but erupt if they think its a forward pass, high tackle or another problem by the visitors / opposition. No problems with trying to influence the ref though.

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DA 134 days ago

funny how you lot voted and helped to bring down the previous government. The people of South Africa now have majority rule and you are still complaining about 60,000 vs 23. Majority rules, you helped to set it up.

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BH 135 days ago

The opposite team and their fans can respond however they like. But the plane and DJ definitely crossed the line and were unnecessary.

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Mal X 135 days ago

Agree, except i'd like to believe the planes timing was unfortunate, but that DJ deserves to be stood in front of the next Haka.

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DM 135 days ago

Kind of hoping they stuffed up the timing with the plane, can respect the crowd can do and act however they feel,but the DJ was definitely on the arrogant side. Still possibly used by the abs as motivation, they certainly came out of the blocks full of fire.

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at 135 days ago

This is the Collesium of rugby. The Fans will behave as they behave. We will haka as we do. This is a battle.

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Wayneo 135 days ago

Josh Kronfeld did a nice description of what it's like playing the Springboks at Ellis Park a few years ago. Check it out on YT.

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MB 135 days ago

I love the haka, and I love it when the opposing team responds in some way. It is a perfect match for the aggressive nature of rugby. The crowd, the DJ, the plane responses - not so much.

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DS 133 days ago

Its team v team. It's a call to battle for both teams. Nothing sneaky - here we are, here we come, are you ready? Not unlike a duel or WWF or weighing at the boxing. Don't need the crowd or 737s. In fact rugby anywhere doesn't need the DJs or the "music".

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GH 135 days ago

The DJ was just disrespectful

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Bull Shark 135 days ago

Great attitude Razor. It is what it is.

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JW 4 hours ago
How law changes are speeding up the game - but the scrum lags behind

so what's the point?

A deep question!


First, the point would be you wouldn't have a share of those penalities if you didn't choose good scrummers right.


So having incentive to scrummaging well gives more space in the field through having less mobile players.


This balance is what we always strive to come back to being the focus of any law change right.


So to bring that back to some of the points in this article, if changing the current 'offense' structure of scrums, to say not penalizing a team that's doing their utmost to hold up the scrum (allowing play to continue even if they did finally succumb to collapsing or w/e for example), how are we going to stop that from creating a situation were a coach can prioritize the open play abilities of their tight five, sacrificing pure scrummaging, because they won't be overly punished by having a weak scrum?


But to get back on topic, yes, that balance is too skewed, the prevalence has been too much/frequent.


At the highest level, with the best referees and most capable props, it can play out appealingly well. As you go down the levels, the coaching of tactics seems to remain high, but the ability of the players to adapt and hold their scrum up against that guy boring, or the skill of the ref in determining what the cause was and which of those two to penalize, quickly degrades the quality of the contest and spectacle imo (thank good european rugby left that phase behind!)


Personally I have some very drastic changes in mind for the game that easily remedy this prpblem (as they do for all circumstances), but the scope of them is too great to bring into this context (some I have brought in were applicable), and without them I can only resolve to come up with lots of 'finicky' like those here. It is easy to understand why there is reluctance in their uptake.


I also think it is very folly of WR to try and create this 'perfect' picture of simple laws that can be used to cover all aspects of the game, like 'a game to be played on your feet' etc, and not accept it needs lots of little unique laws like these. I'd be really happy to create some arbitrary advantage for the scrum victors (similar angle to yours), like if you can make your scrum go forward, that resets the offside line from being the ball to the back foot etc, so as to create a way where your scrum wins a foot be "5 meters back" from the scrum becomes 7, or not being able to advance forward past the offisde line (attack gets a free run at you somehow, or devide the field into segments and require certain numbers to remain in the other sgements (like the 30m circle/fielders behind square requirements in cricket). If you're defending and you go forward then not just is your 9 still allowed to harras the opposition but the backline can move up from the 5m line to the scrum line or something.


Make it a real mini game, take your solutions and making them all circumstantial. Having differences between quick ball or ball held in longer, being able to go forward, or being pushed backwards, even to where the scrum stops and the ref puts his arm out in your favour. Think of like a quick tap scenario, but where theres no tap. If the defending team collapses the scrum in honest attempt (even allow the attacking side to collapse it after gong forward) the ball can be picked up (by say the eight) who can run forward without being allowed to be tackled until he's past the back of the scrum for example. It's like a little mini picture of where the defence is scrambling back onside after a quick tap was taken.


The purpose/intent (of any such gimmick) is that it's going to be so much harder to stop his momentum, and subsequent tempo, that it's a really good advantage for having such a powerful scrum. No change of play to a lineout or blowing of the whistle needed.

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