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Scott Robertson: Why the All Blacks need departing veterans on Northern Tour

Sam Cane and Dalton Papali'i at All Blacks training.Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images

With the impending ineligibility of TJ Perenara and Sam Cane for All Blacks selection, questions began to swirl over the pair’s value to the New Zealand team on their upcoming Northern Tour at the expense of young talent. Questions that Scott Robertson answered on Monday.

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Both players are bound for Japan’s Rugby League One at the 2024 international season’s conclusion, meaning their selection in Monday’s squad will be their last.

With the likes of Peter Lakai making his case for selection at flanker and fellow 2023 U20 New Zealand star Noah Hotham already having made his All Blacks debut at halfback, there were players ready to step up should selectors look to move away from the old guard.

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However, as Robertson explained, the old guard have plenty left in the tank.

“It was a deep conversation,” the coach told reporters in Christchurch. “There’s always a balance of bringing experience, guys that are Test fit, a balance of leadership; what does it take to win up north?

“When you look at those two, they’ve got a lot of those qualities, they’re playing good footy still – that was a really important part of it.

“And, they can build. They’re a big part of helping the next class come through and building for the future. So, on the balance of it, that’s why they come in.”

The opportunity was there to use the Northern Tour to introduce some more players to Test rugby, but with a lineup of opponents that stops just shy of a Grand Slam tour, Robertson emphasised the need for experience while also highlighting the fact the All Blacks XV side will be available for players in the top squad to get game time for and potentially vice versa.

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“We’ve got an ABXV tour that’s going up there that we can use for players to get game time. The squad’s 36 so not all 36 will be playing every weekend.

“Both teams are on tour so it’s a great opportunity to learn and play some quality time in the north.”

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Robertson said there are likely to be “five or six” All Blacks XV players joining the All Blacks in Tokyo for the Japan Test, although that would primarily be for the purpose of experience and depth.

The All Blacks XV team will be named Tuesday but the coach did reveal both notable halfback omissions Noah Hotham and Finlay Christie would feature in the squad.

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Despite the appetite for more new faces in the squad, there have been eight debutants in the nine Tests so far this season, something Robertson highlighted when asked a follow-up question on the absence of any new youngsters.

“We’ve given a few (debuts) already, haven’t we? Could you have given a few more? Yes, potentially. But again, like I mentioned it was the balance of it all. Having a squad that’s well-balanced, got cohesion, players can come in and learn, guys who have had that experience.

“Cam’s only played a handful of Test matches and so has Cortez. TJ gives us that balance.”

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JD Kiwi 74 days ago

I don’t think it makes sense to throw a bunch of kids to the wolves on what’s going to be an incredibly tough tour. We have to play Ireland six days after we play England, then France the following week. That’s a great way to ruin a bunch of promising careers. Remember Eddie at the world cup?


This All Black squad has twelve players 25 and under and just eight in their 30s.


The most recent South Africa squad had just five under 26 and nineteen 30+. Yet I don’t recall much criticism of Rassie for that.

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Utiku Old Boy 74 days ago

Not buying the stated rationale. Both are playing below par and below up-and-comers so "experience" is irrelevant if you are not performing. Robertson is a scaredy-cat.

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Teddy 75 days ago

They still need Cane. Very important for the younger squad members.


He could help make their breakfast in camp and teach them all how not to tackle. Essentials.


Tuck them all in at night and show them his runners up medal they could one day get. Keep them aspirational instead of going to Japan for a career.

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johnz 75 days ago

It would make sense to carry Cane and TJ to help the next class come through, if they'd actually included the next class in the squad. I'm not sure what Lakai is going to learn from Cane when he's not even in the team. And if Papali'i hasn't picked up what he needs by now, I'm not sure one more tour will help.


As for TJ, I reckon he could learn a bit from Roigard and Ratima. They've both taken to test rugby like ducks to water and play at a pace well above their mentor.

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Tk 75 days ago

Firstly, Razor knows a lot more about playing and coaching rugby than I do. But listening to the repetitive comments on Cane and TJ, it sounds more like these senior players are being asked to become defacto coaches.

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B 75 days ago

Fair enough, Scott's has gone for the vets to mentor the next incumbents with obviously RWC 2027 the ultimate goal.


While he's at it, might as well try and clean sweep their EOYT matches too.


Go the All Blacks...looking on with interest and feeling really confident about their chances...

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JW 5 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Yep, that's exactly what I want.

Glasgow won the URC and Edinburgh finished 16th, but Scotland won the six nations, Edinburgh would qualify for the Champions Cup under your system.

It's 'or'. If Glasgow won the URC or Scotland won the six nations. If one of those happens I believe it will (or should) be because the league is in a strong place, and that if a Scotland side can do that, there next best club team should be allowed to reach for the same and that would better serve the advancement of the game.


Now, of course picking a two team league like Scotland is the extreme case of your argument, but I'm happy for you to make it. First, Edinbourgh are a good mid table team, so they are deserving, as my concept would have predicted, of the opportunity to show can step up. Second, you can't be making a serious case that Gloucester are better based on beating them, surely. You need to read Nicks latest article on SA for a current perspective on road teams in the EPCR. Christ, you can even follow Gloucester and look at the team they put out the following week to know that those games are meaningless.


More importantly, third. Glasgow are in a league/pool with Italy, So the next team to be given a spot in my technically imperfect concept would be Benneton. To be fair to my idea that's still in it's infancy, I haven't given any thought to those 'two team' leagues/countries yet, and I'm not about to 😋

They would be arguably worse if they didn't win the Challenge Cup.

Incorrect. You aren't obviously familiar with knockout football Finn, it's a 'one off' game. But in any case, that's not your argument. You're trying to suggest they're not better than the fourth ranked team in the Challenge Cup that hasn't already qualified in their own league, so that could be including quarter finalists. I have already given you an example of a team that is the first to get knocked out by the champions not getting a fair ranking to a team that loses to one of the worst of the semi final teams (for example).

Sharks are better

There is just so much wrong with your view here. First, the team that you are knocking out for this, are the Stormers, who weren't even in the Challenge Cup. They were the 7th ranked team in the Champions Cup. I've also already said there is good precedent to allow someone outside the league table who was heavily impacted early in the season by injury to get through by winning Challenge Cup. You've also lost the argument that Sharks qualify as the third (their two best are in my league qualification system) South African team (because a SAn team won the CC, it just happened to be them) in my system. I'm doubt that's the last of reasons to be found either.


Your system doesn't account for performance or changes in their domestic leagues models, and rely's heavily on an imperfect and less effective 'winner takes all' model.

Giving more incentives to do well in the Challenge Cup will make people take it more seriously. My system does that and yours doesn't.

No your systems doesn't. Not all the time/circumstances. You literally just quoted me describing how they aren't going to care about Challenge Cup if they are already qualifying through league performance. They are also not going to hinder their chance at high seed in the league and knockout matches, for the pointless prestige of the Challenge Cup.


My idea fixes this by the suggesting that say a South African or Irish side would actually still have some desire to win one of their own sides a qualification spot if they win the Challenge Cup though. I'll admit, its not the strongest incentive, but it is better than your nothing. I repeat though, if your not balance entries, or just my assignment, then obviously winning the Challenge Cup should get you through, but your idea of 4th place getting in a 20 team EPCR? Cant you see the difference lol


Not even going to bother finishing that last paragraph. 8 of 10 is not an equal share.

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