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Scott Robertson's take on Marcus Smith and the England players who impressed

By Ben Smith
Marcus Smith of England is tackled by Damian McKenzie of the New Zealand All Blacks during the International Test Match between New Zealand All Blacks and England at Forsyth Barr Stadium on July 06, 2024 in Dunedin, New Zealand. (Photo by Joe Allison - RFU/The RFU Collection via Getty Images)

All Blacks head coach Scott Robertson has offered his view on the standout England players from the first Test as well as Marcus Smith after his missed goals proved pivotal.

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The 25-year-old flyhalf finished two from five off the tee with a number of makeable mid-range shots from roughly 30-40 metres out sailing wide. With the final score 16-15, goal kicking proved to be the difference in the end.

Robertson was reluctant to offer advice to Borthwick on whether Smith should be selected for the second Test at Eden Park but did say No 10s need time at this level.

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“That’s one for Steve [Borthwick], I’ve got my own team to worry about,” Roberston joked when asked if Marcus deserves another run.

Smith was the first choice No 10 in 2022 starting most of England’s Tests that year but lost the role to George Ford in 2023 under Borthwick.

Back in the saddle in 2024, Smith now has 25 starts for England, three of which came at fullback.

The All Black coach pointed to history that showed why Smith should be persisted with.

“There’s a lot on your plate and it takes time to understand Test footy and the pressure of it,” Robertson said on No 10s at this level.

“History shows that you know, it’s time on field on your feet learning a couple of lessons.

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“Marcus is a hell of a player and will be better for last night.”

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Tackles Made
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Tackles Missed
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Tackle Completion %
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On the players who impressed Robertson in the first Test, he singled out Kiwi blindside Chandler Cunningham-Smith and halfback Alex Mitchell as outstanding performers.

Cunningham-Smith made his presence felt at the breakdown while Mitchell’s attacking skills caught his eye.

“I thought Chandler, he’s just such a heavy body with the ball. I thought Alex was great when he got quick ball around the base of the ruck,” Robertson said.

“A couple of doubles [pumps] and faints, handing guys off the ball into space. They were sharp, off the top of my head [those two] were sharp.”

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On the areas where England surprised the All Blacks, it was the trio of Cunningham-South, Sam Underhill and Ben Earl who made life difficult on the ground.

“I just think the breakdown with and without the ball, how hard they were at the ball,” he said.

“They’ve got some great operators, they’ve got good low loosies and they just attack it so quickly.

“They get their hands on the ball you know. Our guys try and counter the ruck but their efficiency to read and anticipate is pretty special.

“And like I said the line speed, they flew at you.”

 

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Karlos 89 days ago

He moved to NZ aged 4 and having never touched a rugby ball. He moved back to England over 15 years later, 100% a kiwi and product of the NZ rugby system. Almost as kiwi as Stoksey or Gatland

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chris 89 days ago

Chandler Cunningham-South is English btw…

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nunya 89 days ago

For heaven’s sake 😂. Again with the “Kiwi Chandler Cunningham South” rubbish. CCS is no more a kiwi than I am Chinese because I went to school in HK in the 80s. He was born in Sidcup to English parents. Whenever an English player so much as goes on holiday somewhere the rugby press have to lead articles with the descriptor of wherever he went. “Norwegian convert Farrell, who once visited Oslo on a school trip in 2002..” Meanwhile, never a mention of the Englishness of dozens of genuinely English players playing for Wales and Scotland. Bore off

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NeilB_Denver 90 days ago

As Dmac also missed a few kicks, I think it’s fair to say the conditions in the poly-tunnel greenhouse probably contributed. Smith will start for England at Eden. He was at the heart of a lot of the stuff England did well.

Expect another close game this weekend. Borthwick and the players will be desperate to get a win. England’s problems at prop are well documented, but I also think England have a lack depth on the bench. There was a discernible loss of dynamism in Dunedin when Borthwick emptied the bench.

I’d wager he’ll give the players more free-reign to run it more this week rather than box kicking. I think he’ll also try and get Feyi-Waboso on the ball a bit more.

Last game of what has been a long season for a lot of these England players and I hope they have enough left in the tank to show everyone what they can do.

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JW 5 hours ago
Nigel Owens' verdict on the 20-minute red card trial

Alright, to his credit he did have something to say after that..

“As far as the 20-minute red card idea is concerned, I’m not a fan. As Mathieu has said, I don’t believe it will really solve any of the problems that we have in the game at the moment.

So we might as well start here, which I'm assume was the topic he started with as well. The only reason 20min rec cards were brought in was to make the game fairer, a problem highlighted by their recent frequency.


A player, and team, should receive the same punishment for a particular foul, no matter what. Red cards (as they were) don't achieve that as the punishment is purely dependent and what stage of the game it is (if you think a punishment has an effect on the frequency of offenses, ask yourself if you've noticed more people committing red card offences towards the ends of game). So a team who receives a red card in the first minute of the game, is overly punished and that is obviously going to be the case for the viewers as well. That is the problem a fixed length red card 'solves'.


Now, onto the other topics he raises..

“They should not be seen as red card offences in the first place – so do we need to change the laws instead?

They're not!!!! They are now seen as 20min red card offences. Here at least, you could still be given a straight red no replacement card on the field for 'thuggery'. This is the law change you're asking for!

Too often, players are still not making the effort to go lower.

Going lower is the cause of these problems. There is nothing wrong with upright tackles, they are safe. Shoulder charging and swinging arms are long out of the game Nigel!

if you have been sent off, you have done something reckless that has put another player at great risk

No, not necessarily. But in the few cases where they were, that punishment is for the player. Not the team. You can be sent off for receiving a 'team' yellow, this is a case were the rule should directly be rectified however. It's outside this discussion.

A red card means you deserve to be off the pitch, so I don’t see why there should be a middle ground.

There is still a lot of careless, reckless conduct out there, so I don’t know if introducing these new cards has made much of a difference anyway.”

I don't recall any careless or reckless behaviour, not at least in TRC, what is he referring to? What we did just see was the game last week be saved by the 20min RC rule. We had what Nigel is describing as an accidental head collision which saw Argentina receive a read card (must have been very close to yellow). Normally that would have destroyed the game (and it did for that period), but by returning to 15 players it was still able to be a contest, which Opta suggests would normally have had just a 7 point gap between the teams. This is why there is a middle ground (what you have been saying you want!!).

do we need to change the laws instead?

Back to his poorly made point. I would suggest bigger off field penalties that are far more involved that a 'tackling' school, and obviously not just for the player, the whole team, especially the coachs, needed to be doing the penance. A definite review to team based yellow cards and how infringement sequences can be better handled is required as well.

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