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'Shame on you' - Viewers notice depressing off-field sight at Wales defeat

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The Principality Stadium is usually a cauldron of passion and pride for Welsh rugby and its fans but it became the scene of a sobering exodus on Sunday night as rugby fans streamed out early during Wales’ record 52-20 thrashing by Australia.

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The defeat marked a historic low for Wales, extending their losing streak to 11 Tests and pushing the team into uncharted depths of despair in their 143-year history.

The early departures of fans – in some cases a full 20 minutes before the final whistle in Cardiff – caught the eye of viewers at home and those within the stadium.

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On X rugby journalist Sarah Rendell commented: “Wales fans pour out of the Principality before full time as the team fall to their 11th consecutive Test loss. They haven’t lost every game in a calendar year since 1937 and they have one game left of 2024, against world champions South Africa. Bleak times in Cardiff.”

Leigh-Catherine – a self-described “fiercely patriotic Welsh woman” –  posted: “At the stadium with fans leaving in droves B4 [before] full time. Sack Gatland and the rest of coaching squad plus executives in charge of WRU. This is heartbreaking.”

Others criticized the fans for abandoning their team. One English rugby supporter wrote: “Shame on you Wales fans leaving early. You could at least applaud your team’s effort; I’m English and watched to the (bitter) end.”

Wales’ dismal performance on the field only compounded the misery of another defeat. Despite Australia’s Samu Kerevi being shown a red card early in the second half, the Wallabies ran riot, with hooker Matt Faessler and full-back Tom Wright each scoring hat-tricks. Len Ikitau, Nick Frost, and Noah Lolesio also added their names to the scoresheet, as Wales’ defensive frailties were laid bare.

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The boos that greeted the final whistle were bad enough but against the backdrop of a stadium half-empty before the game concluded was even worse. “Seeing Wales fans leaving early in their thousands, and booing at the end of the game hurts more than any single result,” wrote one fan who captured the Welsh mood.

With world champions South Africa looming in their final Test of 2024, the pressure on head coach Warren Gatland is reaching boiling point. His second tenure has now yielded 17 losses from 23 matches, leaving questions not only about his future but about the overall state of Welsh rugby.

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Matt Perry 31 days ago

They should be commended for even showing up at this stage.

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Icefarrow 31 days ago

Don't even think Joe Schmidt would be able to save Welsh Rugby at this point.

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Evans 31 days ago

Don't blame Gatland, these are the players he inherited. Blame the WRU, who for years have been slowly destroying Welsh rugby! It is they, lock stock & barrel, who should resign!

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JJ 31 days ago

Stand for something or you'll fall for anything. The fans were quite within their rights to walk out early.

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OJohn 31 days ago

Why would you stay to watch your country's team be gleefully humiliated by a kiwi coach, again and again and again and again and again.


For gawds sake Wales, grow a spine.


There must be somebody in Welsh rugby getting kickbacks to stop Wales ever getting some pride in itself.

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frandinand 31 days ago

A typically inane comment from Walter. The most influential rugby commentator in Australia can't give any praise to his countries team because he predicted that they would lose every game on the EYOT . You can’t see his face for the egg on it.

For someone who proclaims he is invariably right he is proving he is invariably wrong.

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Evans 31 days ago

The whole WRU! More interested in 5* hotels for match days!

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JW 3 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Like I've said before about your idea (actually it might have been something to do with mine, I can't remember), I like that teams will a small sustainable league focus can gain the reward of more consistent CC involvement. I'd really like the most consistent option available.


Thing is, I think rugby can do better than footballs version. I think for instance I wanted everyone in it to think they can win it, where you're talking about trying to make so the worst teams in it are not giving up when they are so far off the pace that we get really bad scorelines (when that and giving up to concentrate on the league is happening together). I know it's not realistic to think those same exact teams are going to be competitive with a different model but I am inclined to think more competitive teams make it in with another modem. It's a catch 22 of course, you want teams to fight to be there next year, but they don't want to be there next year when theres less interest in it because the results are less interesting than league ones. If you ensure the best 20 possible make it somehow (say currently) each year they quickly change focus when things aren't going well enough and again interest dies. Will you're approach gradually work overtime? With the approach of the French league were a top 6 mega rich Premier League type club system might develop, maybe it will? But what of a model like Englands were its fairly competitive top 8 but orders or performances can jump around quite easily one year to the next? If the England sides are strong comparatively to the rest do they still remain in EPCR despite not consistently dominating in their own league?


So I really like that you could have a way to remedy that, but personally I would want my model to not need that crutch. Some of this is the same problem that football has. I really like the landscape in both the URC and Prem, but Ireland with Leinster specifically, and France, are a problem IMO. In football this has turned CL pool stages in to simply cash cow fixtures for the also ran countries teams who just want to have a Real Madrid or ManC to lose to in their pool for that bumper revenue hit. It's always been a comp that had suffered for real interest until the knockouts as well (they might have changed it in recent years?).


You've got some great principles but I'm not sure it's going to deliver on that hard hitting impact right from the start without the best teams playing in it. I think you might need to think about the most minimal requirement/way/performance, a team needs to execute to stay in the Champions Cup as I was having some thougt about that earlier and had some theory I can't remember. First they could get entry by being a losing quarter finalist in the challenge, then putting all their eggs in the Champions pool play bucket in order to never finish last in their pool, all the while showing the same indifference to their league some show to EPCR rugby now, just to remain in champions. You extrapolate that out and is there ever likely to be more change to the champions cup that the bottom four sides rotate out each year for the 4 challenge teams? Are the leagues ever likely to have the sort of 'flux' required to see some variation? Even a good one like Englands.


I'd love to have a table at hand were you can see all the outcomes, and know how likely any of your top 12 teams are going break into Champions rubyg on th back it it are?

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fl 7 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Right, so even if they were the 4 worst teams in Champions Cup, you'd still have them back by default?"

I think (i) this would literally never happen, (ii) it technically couldn't quite happen, given at least 1 team would qualify via the challenge cup, so if the actual worst team in the CC qualified it would have to be because they did really well after being knocked down to the challenge cup.

But the 13th-15th teams could qualify and to be fair I didn't think about this as a possibility. I don't think a team should be able to qualify via the Champions Cup if they finish last in their group.


Overall though I like my idea best because my thinking is, each league should get a few qualification spots, and then the rest of the spots should go to the next best teams who have proven an ability to be competitive in the champions cup. The elite French clubs generally make up the bulk of the semi-final spots, but that doesn't (necessarily) mean that the 5th-8th best French clubs would be competitive in a slimmed down champions cup. The CC is always going to be really great competition from the semis onwards, but the issue is that there are some pretty poor showings in the earlier rounds. Reducing the number of teams would help a little bit, but we could improve things further by (i) ensuring that the on-paper "worst" teams in the competition have a track record of performing well in the CC, and (ii) by incentivising teams to prioritise the competition. Teams that have a chance to win the whole thing will always be incentivised to do that, but my system would incentivise teams with no chance of making the final to at least try to win a few group stage matches.


"I'm afraid to say"

Its christmas time; there's no need to be afraid!

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