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Shuffled Springboks pack could be a masterstroke – Jake White

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I remember having a debate with the great Johann Rupert. He had bet me that “the Pumas have beaten the Springboks before”. I said: “No you are wrong, they have never beaten the Springboks.” He said: “No, they have and beat them in South Africa.”

Eventually, with a smile, he apologised to me and said: “Okay, it wasn’t the Pumas. They were called the Jaguares.” That’s because the squad the South Americans had bought over included a few Chileans and Uruguayans.

From memory, it was back when Hugo Porta was playing, so in effect it was a Test team in all but name. The irony of that conversation was that every South African coach had bragging rights about the fact they had never lost to Argentina.

Anyway, I was able to maintain that record, but I remember we got very close to losing in Buenos Aries. It was back in 2005, a game notable for the fact Jean de Villiers accidentally pushed Lucas Borges into the moat.

We were down at half-time and I vividly remember the speech I gave. I said to the players in the changing room, “I want you to look at the player on your left and your right.”

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They looked at me in a funny way, so I said: “No, do it.” They did and I said: “Look at each other because you will be remembered as the first group of players to ever lose to Argentina in a Test match if you don’t start playing.” Our performance picked up and we played pretty well in the second half to come away with a 34-23 win.

No Springboks side ever wanted to be the first to lose to Los Pumas but it has happened three times since 2015. Under Heyneke Meyer in 2015, Allister Coetzee in 2016 and even Rassie Erasmus and Jacques Nienaber in 2018 when they were turning the team around.

That sums up how far Los Pumas have come and they have also beaten New Zealand, Australia and England away in recent years.

Interestingly, I listened to current Argentina boss Michael Cheika being interviewed pre-game last weekend in Johannesburg. He talked about changing his players’ mindset. One of the things he had worked hardest on was becoming a little less ‘Latin’ on the field of play. You know, not to be too overly emotional and to be more calculated.

This starts with not giving too many cards away and you can see their discipline has already improved. In the past, you used to be able to get under their skin and guarantee you would be playing against 14 men for a while.

Their fitness and conditioning have also improved because they are playing abroad rather than at local, more amateur clubs. Look at how they scored two late tries against the Boks to only lose by a point. Still, the feeling pre-game was that the Boks would win comfortably. I listened to a DJ on the radio saying the Boks would “win by 30 points”.

Informed rugby fans would have known that was an inflated prediction but even so, most people would have expected to win a bit more comfortably. However, as I have stated before, the days of sides running up cricket scores against the Pumas are long gone.

I remember it was a massive upset when they came third in the Rugby World Cup in 2007, and if you go back a little further, I remember when Alex ‘Grizz’ Wylie headed down there to coach. At the time it was seen as a huge coup, a real statement of intent.

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Now you look at Chieka bringing Felipe Contepomi’s intellect back. Their game, which was always through the maul and the scrum is completely different. The bringing in of sevens stars like Rodrigo Isgro and Lautaro Bazan Velez is smart and you see the kind of pace they have in the backs. It used to be about the bajada and the maul. Not anymore.

If you look at the Boks, the team that narrowly won 22-21 was basically the team the public would have chosen. Malcolm Marx was back, Pieter-Steph du Toit was starting and that is why there was a bit of deflation after the game.

You can’t keep the South African fans down for long, however, and the latest narrative is, ‘This is wonderful, we have underdog tags going into a World Cup’. You have to love the fans.

This weekend’s rematch is a real chance for Argentina to measure where they are. For us, it’s a massive test of our strength in depth. The motivation for many of the players is that they are fighting for their lives and a squad place for the World Cup – it’s the final audition.

There are no more chances and you are not going to get more desperate than that. The message is that it is last chance saloon for many of the guys that headed out to Argentina.

Of the players rested and left at home, you would have to say there is a very, very good chance of them being named in the 33-man squad next Tuesday.

On Saturday, the coaches will be giving a chance to those players who haven’t played too much as a thank-you for their efforts this year. However, for the boys who don’t make the cut, my message would be don’t give up hope.

I saw one stat that 30 per cent of players who are left behind generally end up at the World Cup through injury, so keep in shape and keep your phone on!

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When looking at the composition of the 33-man squad, this is where being a utility player becomes indispensable. For instance, in the back row, Kwagga Smith will go because he can play six, seven or eight. He will be back up to Duane Vermeulen, Pieter-Steph and Marco van Staden who are my starters.

If I was wearing my coaching cap, that is how I read their selection. I still think they will find a reason to take Siya Kolisi even if he can only play the last two pool games. He is so important to the squad.

Only the other day, I was telling my wife on a walk, “What some people don’t understand is that the World Cup is unique because you can’t just chop and change players. If a player goes home, that is final”.

If a player gets a concussion for two weeks, a tweaked hammy or a stinger, or even flu, you can’t just replace him for a game or two. There is no halfway house, so there is a lot to be said for playing in a few positions.

Take players like Cobus Reinach, Grant Williams and even Jaden Hendrikse, they can all play on the wing at a push. Then you have Damian Willemse who can play 10, 12 and 15. These players are worth their weight in gold.

Up front, I feel the Springboks will take six props that goes without saying and three hookers. At hooker, it’s whether they take Joseph Dweba or Deon Fourie, who can play hooker and on the flank.

When you have a fit squad and everyone is available, everyone is happy, but the World Cup doesn’t work like that. The longer it goes on, the more you are problem-solving.

Lastly, a lot of things that Jacques said this week are quite valid. He said the rotation of the Boks in the last couple of weeks could prove to be a strength in the tournament.

The one thing they have done in the last five years is consistently pick the same players and the fact they have finally shuffled the pack could be a masterstroke. The World Cup is nearly upon us.

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KEVIN 472 days ago

Both Pumas and Boks have developed some good running rugby and it’s great to whatch. The World Cup will probably be decided by the defences with little space conceded and will be interesting to see how the attacking side fares. Hopefully the referees police the offside rules especially for the outside backs

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gustavo 472 days ago

Hi Ian, the name of the person that played for both Argentina and South Africa and was captain for both teams was Barry "Fairy" Heatlie, whom by the way is known to be the one that has design the colours for the Boks jersey.

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carlos 473 days ago

In 1965, your lot decided to name our team Pumas, as you couldn't say "jaguareté". That year, the now named Pumas, beat your "Junior" (in name only) Springboks at Ellis Park. I find it fascinating how South Africans are so good at reinventing history to suit their needs. Never mind, carry on and keep playing ruby.

By the way, you should also know that in the distant past, a former Springbok captain became captain of the Argentine rugby team, before they were called Pumas. I think it is the only time that a player captained both national teams.

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Francisco 473 days ago

Hi Jake, great article...! I fully agree with the 'Latino' nature of Los Pumas. During RWC2019, for example, we had a mental disconnection against France that hurt our game and we paid for it with points conceded, which in the end we couldn't recover. Those were 10 fateful minutes. I think that all Los Pumas games have less of those 10 fateful minutes. But inconsistencies still persist in the metrics that involve the 'Discipline' variable. That is another 'manifestation' of what I like to call 'being Latino' that we must improve. We are on an interesting path that we must not neglect, even after RWC2023. Greetings.

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Chris 473 days ago

I really hope we don't play that up and under rugby again. Total waste of the talent we have. When we played fast attacking rugby we looked dangerous. I would rather lose like we did to the All Blacks, backing ourselves than win like we did against the Pumas.

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JW 38 minutes ago
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Yeah nar I pretty much agree with that sentiment, wasn't just about the lineout though.


Yeah, I think it's the future of SR, even TRC. Graham above just now posting about how good a night it was with a dbl header of ENGvSA and NZvFrance, and now I don't want to kick SA or Argentina out of TRC but it would be great if in this next of the woods 2 more top teams could come in to create more of these sort of nights (for rugby's appeal). Often Arg and SA and both travel here and you get those games but more often doesn't work out right.


Obviously a long way off but USA and Japan are the obvious two. First thing we need to do is get Eddie Jones kicked out of Japan so they can start improving again and then get a couple of US teams in SRP (even if one its just a US based and augmented Jaguares).


It will start off the whole conferences are crap debate again (which I will continue to argue vehemently against), but imagine a 6 team Pacific conference, Tokyo Sunwolves (drafted from Tokyo JRLO teams), Tokyo All Stars (made up of best remaining foreign players and overseas drafts), ALL Nihon (best of local non Tokyo based talent, inc China/Korea etc, with mainland Japan), a could of West Coast american franchises and perhaps a second self PI driven Hawai'i based team, or Jagaures. So I see a short NFL like 3 or 4 month comp as fitting best, maybe not even a full round, NZvAUSvPAC, all games taking place within a 6hr window. Model for NZ will definitely still require a competitive and funded NPC!


On the Crusaders, I liked last years ending with Grace on the bench (ovbiously form dependent but thats how it ended) and Lio-Willie at 8. I could have Blackadder trying to be a 7 but think balance will be used with him at 6 and Kellow as 7. Scott Barrett is an international 6 sized player. It is just NZ style/model that pushes him into the tight, I reckon he'd be a great loose player, and saders have Strange and Cahill as bigger players (plus that change could draw someone like Darry back). Same with Haig now, hes not grown yet but Barrett hight and been playing 6, now that the Highlanders have only chosen two locks he'll be playing lock, and that is going to change his growth trajectory massively, rather than seeing him grow like an International 6.

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Tom 54 minutes ago
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Interesting post. I realise that try was down to Marcus Smith not Slade, this is why I mentioned that England's attack is completely reliant on Smith working miracles. Just wanted to highlight that Slade's little touch was classy and most English players would have cocked it up. Earl has gas, he's very athletic but Underhill is nailed on at 7 in my eyes though. They both need to be on the pitch so we need a tall 6 or 8 to complement them which we have in CCS and potentially Ollie Chessum. We also have young Henry Pollock who may be the 7 by the world cup.


The whole attack needs an overhaul but Richard Wigglesworth our attack coach was a very limited scrum half who excelled at box kicking and had no running game. Spent most of his career with Saracens who mauled, defended and set pieced their way to victory.... Which might have been ok if Felix Jones hadn't quit and been replaced by a guy who coaches Oyonnax who have one of the worst defences in the French 2nd division. I'm not too emotionally invested in England right now because this coaching setup isn't capable of winning anything.


England had no attack when they were winning under Eddie either. They battered teams with huge dominant tackles and won from pressure. The last time England had any creativity in attack was the Stuart Lancaster/Mike Catt era. They played some fantastic attacking rugby but results were mediocre, lots of 2nd place finishes in the 6N although it felt like we were building something special until we got brutally dumped out of our home world cup in the pool stage.

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JW 1 hour ago
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As has been the way all year, and for all England's play I can remember. I missed a lot of the better years under Eddie though.


Lets have a look at the LQB for the last few games... 41% under 3 sec compared to 56% last week, 47% in the game you felt England best in against NZ, and 56 against Ireland.


That was my impression as well. Dunno if that is a lack of good counterattack ball from the D, forward dominance (Post Contact Meters stats reversed yesterday compared to that fast Ireland game), or some Borthwick scheme, but I think that has been highlighted as Englands best point of difference this year with their attack, more particularly how they target using it in certain areas. So depending on how you look at it, not necessarily the individual players.


You seem to be falling into the same trap as NZs supporters when it comes to Damien McKenzie. That play you highlight Slade in wasn't one of those LQB situations from memory, that was all on the brilliance of Smith. Sure, Slade did his job in that situation, but Smith far exceeded his (though I understand it was a move Sleightholme was calling for). But yeah, it's not always going to be on a platter from your 10 and NZ have been missing that Slade line, in your example, more often than not too. When you go back to Furbank and Feyi-Waboso returns you'll have that threat again. Just need to generate that ball, wait for some of these next Gen forwards to come through etc, the props and injured 6 coming back to the bench. I don't think you can put Earl back to 7, unless he spends the next two years speeding up (which might be good for him because he's getting beat by speed like he's not used to not having his own speed to react anymore).

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