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Slap on the wrist ban for brutal incident caught on camera

The ugly incident was caught on camera. Credit: Reddit

In a shocking incident caught on camera, a rugby player has been filmed kneeing and kicking another player in the face during a ruck in an unnamed fixture.

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The reckless actions of the number 26 player have sparked widespread condemnation and calls for disciplinary action online.

The incident occurred during a routine ruck, with the attacking team protecting the ball. But things took a violent turn when the number 26 player came through first with a knee, before following through with a kick to the face of an opposing player.

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The safety of the game has been a hot topic in recent years, and incidents like this only serve to further fuel the debate. The player who was on the receiving end of the kick shared the video on Reddit and spoke out against the violent behaviour, calling for action to be taken against the perpetrator.

“I’m the guy who got his lights knocked out. 2 weeks of concussive symptoms, and two months into rehab for my left MCL and I find out this is only worthy of a one match ban.”

“You could argue that the first impact was unintentional. But I would argue that he intentionally did not hold back. Anyone here who’s played rugby for a number of years can see that he was in no position to contest the ruck. I’d like to think most of us would’ve just held back from crashing in knees first into a ruck.

“I don’t have much else to say about the follow-through. Needless to say there was no card given during the match.”

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“Given the recent bans/cards given out at an alarming rate, for clear-outs less dangerous than this. I found it absolutely ridiculous for it to be a one match ban.”

“It’s probably my fourth or fifth concussion over 15 years of playing. And I’m seriously considering walking away from the sport I love so much. Being side-lined for over two months being unable to exercise has really taken its toll. Now that I’m a new father as well, maybe I need to stop putting myself in risky situations…”

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Jonkers 700 days ago

I'm coming at this as a qualified ref and experienced coach across broad scale ability groups, pro to beginner. I see the outrage expressed here and have been drawn to the click bait! It merits a thorough analysis, less we get caught up in mis-identification and forget the nature of the game we play and the things that we are responsible for in making it the finest game on the planet.

Firstly the obvious statement needs to be made that player safety is everyone's responsibility and reckless intent and pre-meditated violence have no place in the game we love, and if proven, must be punished accordingly.

The second obvious point is that slow motion always makes these things look horrendous, as it overly simplifies every dynamic force at play.

What nobody in this thread has commented on at all is the utter shambles of this ruck, which is the primary context of this incident: players off their feet, heads down, bad angles, arched backs, poorly clearing and securing, not looking after each other or identifying the threat. Just 'piling' in.

Granted these are rank amateurs, but for Pete's sake, the muppet blue-26 should never have stumbled through that mess in the first place. Yellow-2 made a bad choice and tried to seal with a very poor body position. The correct option for him, having identified that yellow-3 had utterly failed his duty [to clear the space beyond the ball], was to also clear through and take the man infront of him out of the contest - in this case blue-26. The extent of his injuries are unfortunate, and I wish him a short and full recovery that he may continue to enjoy the game.

Now, watching blue-26 more closely, you can see that he is immediately focused on clearing out yellow-3 with his weight on the front foot, unsighted to yellow-2 at this stage. Yellow-3 is now off-balance and doesn't have the skill or strength to deal with blue-26, going off his feet ineffectively.

Blue-26 slides passed yellow-3, at this point clearly unbalanced, having expected to have met more resistance than a falling object, and rather than collapse headlong into the ruck, he makes an effort to stay on his feet, bringing his left leg through.

The slow motion captures an angle on the knee that makes it look as though it is aimed at the head of yellow-2, who is by now crouching over the ball in a very vulnerable position, eyes down, knee height, back of head showing. Given the flow and context, I cannot see enough evidence of deliberate intent here from blue-26. He is off balance and trying to find his feet as his force takes him forward into they ruck.

Now dragging his left leg through to stay on his feet, a commendable effort, however ridiculous it appears on slow motion VT. He stays on his feet at the ruck and exits out the side. Yellow-2 is now unconscious (knocked out), and his 'tonic posturing' (arm raised as he falls) is the tell-tale sign. His limp body simply rolls back without resistance flowing with blue-26's momentum.

Looking closely, there is absolutely no lateral or forward force secondary contact from blue-26's boot to the yellow-2's head, as his left leg flows forwards. There is no 'kick' here.

The ref doesn't give a penalty for rucking indiscipline and is unsighted as to the previous head impact. In fact I am surprised that the ref doesn't penalise the yellow team as they continue to fall through the ruck, with the white scrum hat going off his feet, again not being safe or effective at the ruck and not taking any man.

If blue-26's intent was reckless, the less risk more devious option for him would have been to have collapsed into yellow-2 whilst kneeing him, rather than staying on his feet.

We don't know the wider context of the game, what the ref's pre-match advice had been around the breakdown, or further foul play or carded transgressions from this player or others.

Where perhaps there is recourse, is the failure of blue-26 to immediately address the now unconscious yellow-2 and raise the referee's attention to it. He shows a degree of callous truculence, raises his arms, shrugs it off.

We've all played with and against players like this, who have a bit of an attitude. But in someways, in a contact sport that encourages aggression with controlled violence, we value players who can 'give it and take it'.

On the wider coaching aspects and indeed refereeing aspects that have directly contributed to this outcome, I would say the following. To the coach of the yellows: you need to work hard on support play and rucking technique, prioritising your player's physical conditioning and key skill-sets, roles and outcomes, critical safety etc. Your players need to look after each other. To the ref: A lot of the safety focus on the game is all around the height of the tackle and head injuries, but if the breakdown area becomes riotous and ill-disciplined, then this is where most of the injuries and foul play will happen. If you don't set the tone early for the game and punish transgressions with disciplinary measures, then things get out of hand quickly.

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edward 700 days ago

The knee is definitely reckless and the kick looks malicious even if it didnt connect - 1 game seems low. I was intentionally kicked in the face in a game and it snapped my teeth off and they lodged into the roof of my mouth - that guy got 4 game ban

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Michele 700 days ago

This is meaningless: We need to know teams, location and date.

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Tom 1 hour ago
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Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol! Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol! Briiiiiiiiiiiiiiiistol!


It's incredible to see the boys playing like this. Back to the form that saw them finish on top of the regular season and beat Toulon to win the challenge cup. Ibitoye and Ravouvou doing a cracking Piutau/Radradra impression.


It's abundantly clear that Borthwick and Wigglesworth need to transform the England attack and incorporate some of the Bears way. Unfortunately until the Bears are competing in Europe, the old criticisms will still be used.. we failed to fire any punches against La Rochelle and Leinster which goes to show there is still work to do but both those sides are packed full of elite players so it's not the fairest comparison to expect Bristol to compete with them. I feel Bristol are on the way up though and the best is yet to come. Tom Jordan next year is going to be obscene.


Test rugby is obviously a different beast and does Borthwick have enough time with the players to develop the level of skill the Bears plays have? Even if he wanted to? We should definitely be able to see some progress, Scotland have certainly managed it. England aren't going to start throwing the ball around like that but England's attack looks prehistoric by comparison, I hope they take some inspiration from the clarity and freedom of expression shown by the Bears (and Scotland - who keep beating us, by the way!). Bristol have the best attack in the premiership, it'd be mad for England to ignore it because it doesn't fit with the Borthwick and Wigglesworth idea of how test rugby should be played. You gotta use what is available to you. Sadly I think England will try reluctantly to incorporate some of these ideas and end up even more confused and lacking identity than ever. At the moment England have two teams, they have 14 players and Marcus Smith. Marcus sticks out as a sore thumb in a team coached to play in a manner ideologically opposed to the way he plays rugby, does the Bears factor confuse matters further? I just have no confidence in Borthers and Wiggles.


Crazy to see the Prem with more ball in play than SR!

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JW 5 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

In another recent article I tried to argue for a few key concept changes for EPCR which I think could light the game up in the North.


First, I can't remember who pointed out the obvious elephant in the room (a SA'n poster?), it's a terrible time to play rugby in the NH, and especially your pinnacle tournament. It's been terrible watching with seemingly all the games I wanted to watch being in the dark, hardly able to see what was going on. The Aviva was the only stadium I saw that had lights that could handle the miserable rain. If the global appeal is there, they could do a lot better having day games.


They other primary idea I thuoght would benefit EPCR most, was more content. The Prem could do with it and the Top14 could do with something more important than their own league, so they aren't under so much pressure to sell games. The quality over quantity approach.


Trim it down to two 16 team EPCR competitions, and introduce a third for playing amongst the T2 sides, or the bottom clubs in each league should simply be working on being better during the EPCR.


Champions Cup is made up of league best 15 teams, + 1, the Challenge Cup winner. Without a reason not to, I'd distribute it evenly based on each leauge, dividing into thirds and rounded up, 6 URC 5 Top14 4 English. Each winner (all four) is #1 rank and I'd have a seeding round or two for the other 12 to determine their own brackets for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. I'd then hold a 6 game pool, home and away, with consecutive of each for those games that involve SA'n teams. Preferrably I'd have a regional thing were all SA'n teams were in the same pool but that's a bit complex for this simple idea.


That pool round further finalises the seeding for knockout round of 16. So #1 pool has essentially duked it out for finals seeding already (better venue planning), and to see who they go up against 16, 15,etc etc. Actually I think I might prefer a single pool round for seeding, and introduce the home and away for Ro16, quarters, and semis (stuffs up venue hire). General idea to produce the most competitive matches possible until the random knockout phase, and fix the random lottery of which two teams get ranked higher after pool play, and also keep the system identical for the Challenge Cup so everthing is succinct. Top T2 side promoted from last year to make 16 in Challenge Cup

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JW 10 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I had a look at the wiki article again, it's all terribly old data (not that I'd see reason for much change in the case of SA).

Number Of Clubs:

1526

Registered+Unregistered Players:

651146

Number of Referees:

3460

Pre-teen Male Players:

320842

Pre-teen Female Player:

4522

Teen Male Player:

199213

Teen Female Player:

4906

Senior Male Player:

113174

Senior Female Player:

8489

Total Male Player:

633229

Total Female Player:

17917


So looking for something new as were more concerned with adults specifically, so I had a look at their EOY Financial Review.

The total number of clubs remains consistent, with a marginal increase of 1% from 1,161 to 1,167. 8.1.

A comparative analysis of verified data for 2022 and 2023 highlights a marginal decline of 1% in the number of female players, declining from 6,801 to 6,723. Additionally, the total number of players demonstrates an 8% decrease, dropping from 96,172 to 88,828.

So 80k+ adult males (down from 113k), but I'm not really sure when youth are involved with SAn clubs, or if that data is for some reason not being referenced/included. 300k male students however (200k in old wiki data).


https://resources.world.rugby/worldrugby/document/2020/07/28/212ed9cf-cd61-4fa3-b9d4-9f0d5fb61116/P56-57-Participation-Map_v3.pdf has France at 250k registered but https://presse-europe1-fr.translate.goog/exclu-europe-1-le-top-10-des-sports-les-plus-pratiques-en-france-en-2022/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp has them back up at 300k registered.


The French number likely Students + Club, but everyone collects data different I reckon. In that WR pdf for instance a lot of the major nations have a heavily registered setup, were as a nation like England can penetrate into a lot more schools to run camps and include them in the reach of rugby. For instance the SARU release says only 29% of schools are reached by proper rugby programs, where as the 2million English number would be through a much much higer penetration I'd imagine. Which is thanks to schools having the ability to involve themselves in programs more than anything.


In any case, I don't think you need to be concerned with the numbers, whether they are 300 or 88k, there is obviously a big enough following for their pro scenes already to have enough quality players for a 10/12 team competition. They appear ibgger than France but I don't really by the lower English numbers going around.

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