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'Someone's going to miss out': The race to make the All Blacks loose forward trio

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With three rounds remaining in Super Rugby Pacific, chances are diminishing to impress the All Blacks selectors for inclusion in July’s three-test series against Ireland.

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As is always the case, much intrigue will surround the selections made by head coach Ian Foster and his colleagues, but particular interest will be centred around certain positional groups where it remains unclear which players will and won’t make the cut.

Some of the positional groups that fit that bill include the front row and the midfield, where it’s a lolly scramble for selection.

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Possibly the tightest squeeze, though, will come in the loose forwards, where a number of viable candidates loom as worthy test selections, but not all of them will feature in the next All Blacks squad.

That’s the verdict from former All Blacks hooker James Parsons and Crusaders halfback Bryn Hall in their most recent appearances on the Aotearoa Rugby Pod.

Parsons and Hall both waxed lyrical about the contenders in the running for All Blacks selection in the loose forwards, with the former particularly impressed by the return from injury of Blues blindside flanker Akira Ioane.

The 13-test All Black has exploded back into action for the Super Rugby Pacific table-topping Blues following a lengthy injury layoff, which saw him miss the first two months of the competition.

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Back-to-back standout displays against the Western Force and Melbourne Rebels over the last fortnight has thrust Ioane into the limelight, leading Parsons to praise the physicality he has shown in both of those matches.

“He’s really fit, he’ll get more and more minutes under his belt, but the thing I like about him most is his collision areas,” Parsons, a former Blues captain and centurion, told the Aotearoa Rugby Pod.

“He’s in the thick of it, he’s moving bodies, whether it’s through clean outs or dragging bodies with him through his leg drive, and having the ability to play on the edge.

“I feel like he’s really found his mojo and his balance to his game, and he’s got confidence in that and just goes out there and he’s Akira. He doesn’t try to be something he’s not, and I think that’s when you see the best in him.”

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With All Blacks captain Sam Cane and star man Ardie Savea the lead candidates to lock down the No 7 and No 8 roles in New Zealand’s starting back row, Ioane is a strong contender to accompany them on the short side of the scrum at No 6.

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However, Hall highlighted the congestion of frontrunners to fill that blindside flanker role, citing injured Highlanders star Shannon Frizell and versatile Crusaders flanker Ethan Blackadder as those competing with Ioane for that spot.

“I just think there’s so much talent at the moment that’s playing consistently well,” Hall, who is currently on tour with the Crusaders in Australia, told the Aotearoa Rugby Pod.

“We’ve talked around Shannon Frizell and his ability at the Highlanders before he was injured, you’ve got Ethan Blackadder who’s playing 6, 7, 8 at the moment, and then Akira’s come back and had some really good performances coming back from his long-term injury.

“It’s really hard to know where you can go, and, unfortunately, someone’s going to miss out, just due to the fact of how much talent there is and the kind of high level the loose forward trios are playing in the country at the moment.”

Parsons added that Chiefs powerhouse Luke Jacobson can’t be excluded from that list of blindside flanker options, and noted that breakout Chiefs star Pita Gus Sowakula may also come into the reckoning at No 8.

In saying that, Parsons questioned whether Sowakula had maintained his strong early-season form to demand selection from the All Blacks.

“I don’t think we can leave out Luke Jacobson. I think he’s made a good fist No 6. He’s such a strong ball-carrier, great defender,” the former two-test international said.

“He’s another one to put in the mix as well, and, you mentioned Sam Cane, Luke Jacobson and Pita Gus, when they’re humming, the Chiefs are humming, and I think the Chiefs are humming.

“I think you saw that one opportunity that Pita Gus got on the weekend [when he scored against the Brumbies], and he’s just a big body, too easy. Jacobson’s been making similar carries.

“There had been chat around Pita Gus, does he need to find a spark in form again to bring himself into that selection mindset?

“He’s a big man and that does give you a point of difference. There’s big guys, but he’s a big unit and has the ability to flatten people with ball in hand, and ball not in hand.”

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Of those rivalling Sowakula for a No 8 spot in the national squad is Hoskins Sotutu, who Parsons described as “an amazing talent”, which Hall agreed with as he acknowledged Sotutu’s skilful contributions to the Blues this season.

“I think Akira’s been coming back into a rich vein of form considering the break that he’s had, but a guy that probably [deserves mention] is Hoskins Sotutu and what he’s really bringing to that team as well,” Hall said.

“His distribution skills, I think you’re seeing off their scrum and lineout maul, his ability as a ball-player, just through his skillset and the amount of times you’ve seen him putting people away through his bridge passes with his passing game, is really great to see.”

Where that leaves Blues captain Dalton Papalii, arguably the most in-form loose forward in New Zealand this year, remains to be seen.

Being national captain, Cane is the probable occupant of the No 7 jersey, which may force Papalii outside of his preferred openside flanker position, but Hall said the 24-year-old is continuing to pressure the All Blacks selectors for a starting role.

“Yes, obviously he [Cane] is the captain, but it’s based around performances. You’re rewarded around your performances,” Hall told the Aotearoa Rugby Pod.

“Let’s be honest, being a captain, you probably get a little bit more rope, but with the way Dalts is playing, all you’re going to do is put pressure on selectors and coaching staff.”

Parsons added that Papalii’s versatility as a loose forward who can play at blindside, openside and No 8 might play into his hands come selection time, even if that means he is used as a bench player by the All Blacks.

“Dalton just loves playing. He’ll play anywhere. He honestly does, he just loves getting out there in the thick of it. Even if it is a bench role, he can play 6, 7, 8, I believe [he can play there] comfortably.”

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CO 955 days ago

The Allblacks are a bunch of amateurs. You select the team then the captain. Players are picked on performance not given multi year contracts. Canes time is past, Dalton and Ardie sew up 7 and size needs to be selected at 8 with a big unit also at 6. That's Akira and Gus. The Allblacks are arrogant amateurs because they think they can beat brute strength with mobility and have a coach that excels at nothing

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spady 955 days ago

Akira is only good when playing less gritty teams -like Australia. When it is teams like South Africa, France, Ireland, Wales, England, he comes second best in most collisions. Simply re-watch the rugby championship and End of year tour 2021 games. Dalton Papalii should start at 6, and keep Luke and Ethan in the squad. Sotutu is good with the ball, but comes 2nd best in collisions off the ball like Akira. The best chance Pita Gus has is an injury replacement at the world cup, nothing sooner, and with the physicality of the game today, he might get that phone call

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Sam 955 days ago

If Papali'i is the in form player and doesn't get rewarded, it doesn't send a great message. Would be a real shame to see him go overseas, and for other young players to learn that hard work doesn't always get you somewhere if politics get in the way

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Andrew 955 days ago

Surely the disastrous Northern tour showed that lightweight no 8s dont cut it no matter shaf fine line kicks they possess (Soutu) or determination they show (Savea). Sowakula is a must ...now.

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Andrew 955 days ago

Im a Chiefs fan and even I wonder why Cane is an automatic selection anymore. Its surely now just between Savea and Papalii

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Spew_81 955 days ago

Is Cane the lead candidates to lock down the No 7 because he is the captain? If he was not the captain would Papalii be the lead candidate?

The question is can someone else be the captain? If so should Cane be in the team; he only plays one position? If he isn't, clearly the best 7, would Papalii's youth and versatility offer more?

Papalii would help balance the trio as he will add more size, height, speed and running ability. Papalii is a workhorse, just like Cane. So is the captaincy keeping Cane in the frame?

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JW 3 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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