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Stats reveal how England are actually getting worse - Beyond 80

EDINBURGH, SCOTLAND - FEBRUARY 24: Joe Marler of England looks on as he watches players of Scotland celebrate with the Calcutta Cup after England are defeated by Scotland during the Guinness Six Nations 2024 match between Scotland and England at BT Murrayfield Stadium on February 24, 2024 in Edinburgh, Scotland. (Photo by Dan Mullan - RFU/The RFU Collection via Getty Images)

Duhan van der Merwe’s first try against England was the turning point for Scotland in their fourth successive Calcutta Cup win, but looking at the tournament statistics we can see that England might be in a bit of trouble.

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Van der Merwe went on to score a hat-trick as Murrayfield witnessed a 30-21 win against their rivals.

“That was the key turning point for the game because up until that point, England had looked to play with a lot more attacking vigour than we’ve seen from them for a number of years,” said Ben Kay on the latest episode of Beyond 80.

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“It just got into the psyche, that element of doubt that they didn’t quite know what they were doing, maybe just meant that there was a hesitation. We started to see passes not quite going to hand, or up at a shoulder.

“We saw players hesitating on a line and that made it much more difficult to read for those trying to get them the ball and England just started to make error after error and Scotland realised this, and felt ‘We didn’t have to play that much’.

“You saw that a lot of Scotland’s tries after that came from errors from England and Duhan van der Merwe obviously the man that had an absolute field day.”

While England started well with a try by George Furbank, analyst Ross Hamilton explains that key statistics throughout the tournament show where England have been lacking.

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“That’s the first try that England have scored from the first phase in this tournament. So yes that looked good and that looked sharp, but it didn’t necessarily continue that way.

“England have only made 14 line breaks in the tournament so far, only Italy have made fewer. Our [England’s] big issue was converting the chances when we get them. We’ve actually had the second most entries into the opposition 22m of any team, but we have the worst red zone efficiency – points per entry – just 1.75.

“So we’re making opportunities yes, but we just can’t convert, and that seems to be England’s big problem.”

Six Nations

P
W
L
D
PF
PA
PD
BP T
BP-7
BP
Total
1
Ireland
3
3
0
0
15
2
Scotland
3
2
1
0
9
3
England
3
2
1
0
8
4
France
3
1
1
1
6
5
Wales
3
0
3
0
3
6
Italy
3
0
2
1
3
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The other big problem for England is their increasing error rate, clearly now a big concern for the England camp.

“One of the big things that contributes to that is the amount of errors that we made. We had 22 turnovers conceded, that’s the most of any team in any game so far, and actually we’ve regressed as we’ve gone on.

“Steve Borthwick talks about getting better week on week and the more we’ve been in camp the more cohesive we might get, yet we made 10 errors in the first round, 13 in the second and 22 in round 3. So we’ve just got a little bit worse as it’s gone on, and that’s been a big factor in us not being able to take our chances.”

Beyond 80 have done a full in-depth technical analysis of that match as well as the other two in round 3, which you can watch exclusively on RugbyPass TV or the RugbyPass Youtube channel. 

 

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Anthony 272 days ago

Paul.
Once Marcus Smith is fit he will be in , with Fin Smith back up . Ford will be out . SO. Smith plays with a big inside centre for Quins so Lawrence will be fine at 12 . Slade 13 and any of the wingers . The back line has been hamstrung for the last couple of years by poor coaching and an average 10 . Apparently England did not make any line breaks against Scotland, something unthinkable if either Smith was on the pitch .
Have you listened to Ben Kays Beyond 80 appraisal of Ireland . Fascinating and you then realise just how poor the coaching is for England . I hope the England coaching staff have watched . Brilliant stuff Ben .

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Paul 272 days ago

England’s problem is inside centre and it has been for a long time. It was never addressed under Jones who very often played Farrell at inside centre. So another inside centre was not developed. Nick Tompkins not being selected was an almighty clanger which still haunts us to this day. I wish we had managed to claim Cameron Redpath too.

All this has been exacerbated by the lack of English inside centres in the Prremiership. I really don’t believe the answer is to pick outside centres at twelve, these are very different roles. For now we need to pick the few English players who play at inside centre regularly, Fraser Dingwall, Max Ojomoh and on time Olly Hartley. I wonder how different the result would have been in Murrayfield if Nick Tompkins had been playing twelve for England.

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YeowNotEven 18 minutes ago
The All Blacks don't need overseas-based players

As it is now, players coming through are competing for franchise spots with ABs.

So they have to work their pants off.

They are mentored by All Blacks, they see how to prepare and work and what it means and blah blah blah.

To get a SR start you have to be of a certain quality.

With the top talent overseas, players coming in don’t need to work as hard so they don’t get as good.

That’s Australias problem; not enough competition for spots driving the quality up. The incumbents at the reds or brumbies aren’t on edge because no one is coming for their jersey.

Without All Blacks to lead the off field stuff, our players will not get as good.

South Africa is an example of that. As more and more springboks went overseas, the Super rugby sides got worse and worse to the point where they were hardly competitive.

The lions got a free pass to the finals with the conference system,

but largely the bulls and stormers and sharks were just nothing like they were and not a serious challenge to any New Zealand side most of the time.

We got scrum practice, but interest in those games plummeted. I’m not paying $30 to go watch the bulls get wasted by a Blues B team.

If NZ was to let players go offshore and still get picked, the crowds would disappear even more for SR, the interest would dissipate, and people would go watch league or basketball or whatever and get their kids into those sports too.

New Zealand rugby just cannot function without a strong domestic comp.

The conveyer belt stops when kids don’t want to go to rugby games because their stars aren’t playing and therefore aren’t inspired to play the game themselves.

We won’t keep everyone, no matter what we do. But we can keep as many as possible.

We don’t have tens of millions of people, or billionaire owned teams, or another ready made competition to put our teams into.

We have the black jersey. And it’s what keeps rugby going.

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