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UK columnist bemoans 'priceless advantage' afforded to Leinster

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Sunday Times columnist Stephen Jones is not that happy at Leinster being allowed to play their “away” Champions Cup semi-final at Croke Park, a mere 3.4 kilometres from the Aviva Stadium.

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Last night Leinster defeated La Rochelle 40-13, ending the French club’s bid to secure a third consecutive Champions Cup title.

Under the guidance of Corkonian Ronan O’Gara, La Rochelle had previously bested Leinster in the finals of the last two seasons, albeit with a slender overall margin of just four points. However, Leinster got their sweet revenge in a relatively one-sided contest.

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However, it’s the decision to host the semi-final at Croke Park that has stirred debate among rugby enthusiasts and commentators alike, particularly regarding the integrity of what constitutes an ‘away’ game.

Critics – including Jones – argue that playing so close to their usual venue provides Leinster with a “priceless” home-field advantage, not typically afforded to teams in similar situations.

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Writing in his Sunday Times column, Jones observed: “They [Northampton Saints] will face Leinster, who beat La Rochelle 40-13, in the semi-final, and in a massive shock, Leinster are not hosting it at their home ground, the Aviva Stadium, because it is the venue for the Europa League final.

“It is not to cast aspersions on anyone, but the last time they played an away game, their boots had wooden studs.

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“They have the home country advantage as the competition’s second-ranked team but will now have to walk all the way to Croke Park, also in Dublin, of course.

“The organisers of this tournament have made it partially ridiculous by allowing the seedings from months ago to apply all the way through until the final, which has devalued the event and given Leinster a ludicrously priceless advantage.”

Regardless of venue, there’s no denying that Leinster are now hot favourites to add a fifth Champions Cup to their trophy cabinet, such was the manner of their victory over La Rochelle.

O’Gara – a long and bitter rival of Leinster – doffed his cap in the direction of the men in blue, copping the loss on the chin.

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“If it’s a close one, you always have a lot more regrets but if you have a small bit of cop on, you could see that the dominant team was in blue,” said O’Gara in the post match press conference. “They were shaper to everything and they made it difficult for us and their rush defence worked well and in the first 70, I don’t think we won a breakdown penalty bar the kick-off that we took.”

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Ed the Duck 250 days ago

So an answer could be this:

CC 8 groups of 3 playing home & away, so 4 games with winner qualifying and 2nd into ChC ko’s. Post group, 2 leg QF then neutral SF and neutral F.

ChC 4 groups of 4 playing each team once. Top 2 qualify and play round of 16 with CC 2nd’s. Home for 8 CC teams. Then 2 leg QF followed by neutral SF and neutral F.

There, sorted! Wasn’t too difficult…

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Paul 250 days ago

Every year we hear this same nonsense from Jones. Where would he like the game to be played - Cork? Belfast? (that would upset the Unionists). Toulouse will play at Stadium de Toulouse, 6.3km walk away from Stade Toulousain. Why is this not mentioned? The EPCR want the biggest stadium available to host. It just so happens, due to historical lack of development, all of those stadia (2 in total) are in Dublin (a very small city) 3.4km away from one another.

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PDV 250 days ago

To try and stay relevant Jones has written increasingly controversial articles. It’s some sad, late-career attempt to become a ‘brand’ - the sort of grumpy Roy Keane pundit who gets people’s back up. Problem is he doesn’t have the know-how or talent to do it. Pathetic really.

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Richie 250 days ago

Paper will always take ink and journalistic hacks must write something to make their living.

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Ben 250 days ago

Jones is nothing more than a trolling hack and England apologist, it's surprising he gets so-called real rugby supporters so triggered.
As for European Rugby competition, it's so weighted in favour of the stronger teams it's also become a parody of itself. The inclusion of South African teams has diluted any integrity that the competitions may have had. All KO games from the ¼ finals onwards should be at neutral venues. It is supposed to be for the best teams, so a little travel should not present the contenders any great hardship. Why winning all your pool games gives you home ties all the way to the final is farcical and quite frankly, sounds like something Donald Trump would dream up.

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Ed the Duck 251 days ago

Let’s be honest about this issue. The reason seedings are done this way is financial, to maximise ticket revenues and it ain’t going to change. However, the stats show it puts the away team at a massive disadvantage and that does impact the sporting integrity of the competition.

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pof 251 days ago

Stephen Jones has been Irish-baiting for at least 20 years. I've not seen much of his commentary in the interim but it seems he's not easily bored. I recall he also had a thing against NZ, and used to like referring to Pacific islanders playing for the ABs as ‘the browning of NZ rugby’. He's a hack, ignore him.

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J Marc 251 days ago

Toulouse will play his semi at about the same distance of Ernest Wallon….

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Turlough 251 days ago

This is nonsense. Home advantage is given to the teams who do best in the Pool stages. Leinster are playing a home game against Northhampton. Croke Park is the nominated ‘Home’ stadium for the match. Leinster, like La Rochelle in the last 2 years, play a lot of their matches at home because of their success in the Pool stages.
The English Premiership and French top 14 have gotten the concession of a 1/8 final which allows them to carry out half assed pool stages and still make the knock outs.
Jones is suggesting we also give them an open draw. Now that would devalue the tournament.
I don’t want to be paranoid or betray a victim mentality but that man has a go at Irish Teams at every opportunity. Have a go, rationalize with BS reasons after.

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JW 32 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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