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Super Rugby PacificBritish & Irish Lions

Struggling Lions set to lose centres to Prem and Top 14 - reports

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The Lions are reportedly set to lose two of their senior centres. According to the Rapport, Wandisile Simelane and Burger Odendaal are currently in talks with Top 14 and Premiership clubs.

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The Sunday newspaper reported that Simelane is considering a move to Top14 side Toulon.

Simelane’s agent, Dane Galley, told Rapport that no final decision has been made over the 23-year-old former Junior Springbok’s future yet.

“Wandi has another contract with the Lions. He has not yet decided where his next move will be, but we have a few options on the table,” Galley said.

Toulon already has Springbok duo Eben Etzebeth and Cheslin Kolbe on their books.

Meanwhile, Odendaal is in talks with Premiership side Wasps.

Odendaal was appointed Lions captain following Eltjon Jantjeis’ departure to Japan.

The former Bulls star’s contract with the Lions ends in October.

However, he will need a release from the club to make it possible to exit before then.

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Head high tackle 11 minutes ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

He chose his path Miz. Why lose 200 other players for the sake of 1 who has been at the ABs the whole time they have "slipped"? Id rather we get Jacomb and Miller in to the team. Both look very good. Plus Cameron from the Canes too. A basic player but does it very well.

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Head high tackle 14 minutes ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

Jacomb, Miller, Cameron, Perofeta, Simpson. Plummer

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frandinand 16 minutes ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

Those of you who have read comments by Walter [OJohn] before will be familiar with his continuing whining on the same subject ad infinitum.


Firstly he continually calls me a kiwi which I'm not.


Secondly you get the whine about kiwi coaches.


Thirdly the hate of Laurie Fisher and the hatred of the Tahs.


Fourthly the total intolerance of anything not from Queensland.


Walter claims he has played and coached rugby at a very high level in Australia.


That he played for Canterbury in NZ.


That he has represented Australia in two other sports.


That he lives in an apartment block with two current Wallabies who he meets in the lift and counsels them on their play.


That he has been proven invariably right. Go back and read his comments on Eddie Jones who he claimed would be the saviour of Australia rugby.


That he is the most influential rugby commentator in Australia. It is readily apparent he is a total fantasist and almost definitely certifiable.

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Head high tackle 20 minutes ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

Now we just need to get rid of that silly "deliberate knock-on law" It seems rather crazy that a player cant contest for the ball when its being passed but can if its been kicked. The exact same result happens when contesting kicks so why isnt contesting allowed when a team is passing?

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Head high tackle 26 minutes ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

The current tour is a hiding to nothing tho Nick. If 9/14 is the result then so be it. That wont impact next years further development and player changes as the team develops tho.

They shouldnt beat either really. Not with the stage of development they and the coaching team are at, or with the injuries to BB and Taylor, but 9 from 14 wont effect next season or the one after, or the next WC squad.

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Head high tackle 30 minutes ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

NZ has no right to win on friday. If you analyse where the teams are at in regards to their development then Ireland are probably 3-1 on favourites. Luckily having no right to win doesnt mean you dont win so we have a chance. Ireland wont be expecting anything but a win, and Im already seeing plenty of Utube scribes predicting an easy win for Ireland, so for NZ, its nothing to lose really.

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Petrus78 36 minutes ago
Jake White: It isn't only the All Blacks who have lost their aura

Jake.....how about you go work for rugby pass and the Bulls get Johan Ackerman to win some trophies......just asking.....

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Head high tackle 37 minutes ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

Im not sure Mounga is the missing link. He has been involved the whole period where NZ had "slipped" down to 70%. He is a big part of that happening. I dont believe the BB/Mounga combo ever worked properly as duel playmakers and Id rather see NZ go to guys like Perofeta, Jacomb, Miller, Cameron, Simpson etc before going backwards. They are the future, not guys from the past. Jacomb, Miller and Cameron in particular look to be the future. Pity Miller got injured as he would have been on the ABXV tour.

Samisoni Takiaho will also make a big difference to hooker depth. We would have loved to have him this weekend for sure. It will be great to see Holland come in and I think Frizzell only signed for 2 Japanese seasons so is expected back in june I think.

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Bruiser 40 minutes ago
Rob Kearney’s All Blacks verdict: ‘They're scared of Ireland now...’

Neither team are scared of each other. Mutual respect yes, excited yes, scared no. Can we have some more insightful build up

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JW 49 minutes ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

What would be the argument is that ALL nations have continued to develop.


Otherwise you are getting into opinion if you balancing out those +s and -s.

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JW 51 minutes ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

Plenty of others have also gone backwards though, not that this is my argument to defend!

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Head high tackle 52 minutes ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

Just scored 10 in the last 15 to beat England. Getting there!

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JW 52 minutes ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

Yep AB success was attempted to be built on picking player groups four years out for a WC and sticking with them. We were so lucky they got injured for 23'.


In fairness to BB though it was also after two bad head knocks that he lost all his courage as a player. He's only just got that back this year and looking fearless again (but still has those skill limitations to do what they wanted).

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Head high tackle 54 minutes ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

They must have won other 20min periods then Nick as they did score the second most points in the RC. That shows they scored plenty when they won but lost by small amounts when they lost. Getting it right will take some time. Attack and personell.

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JW 1 hour ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

LOL Will S looked anything BUT enjoying himself out there.


His look to me was a classic 'I got the wool over this young buck this time but by jesus he's big and strong' lol

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Head high tackle 1 hour ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

Telea must be very deceptively strong in the upper body Miz. Neither try had the right to be scored really.

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JW 1 hour ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

How so?

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Head high tackle 1 hour ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

I thought bench use was excellent. He did have to go there after just 5 mins which stuffed up all his planning but the bench won the game. I also think it was benificial that BB went off and left DM to run the ship himself as I dont like how Razor brings on the 10 replacement but leaves his original 10 on as well.

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JW 1 hour ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

They could be dead last with the pressure they're under now.


If they can unearth more players like Feyi-waboso things could change though!

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JW 1 hour ago
Are the All Blacks doomed to a 70% flatline?

Givening England a try aye, that's some credit!


To suggest a team can be good enough to flatline, having no troughs in performance ala Foster, again (or maybe he just meant under Razor), is pretty high praise.


Myself, I think they will fluctuate upto the 80's and back down again. Hard to imagine the standard of International rugby regressing backwards though, reaching the 90 mark will probably not be done again.

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