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'That's not working': Sir John Kirwan on the All Blacks' failed strategy

Jordie Barrett (C) is tackled Argentina's Matias Moroni during the Rugby Championship match between New Zealand and Argentina at Sky Stadium in Wellington on August 10, 2024. (Photo by Grant Down / AFP)

The All Blacks kicking game has come under the microscope in the aftermath of the 38-30 loss to Argentina, highlighted by both Scott Robertson and players.

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Robertson told the Sky Sport NZ panel that what they were seeing in training and seeing in the game were “two different things”.

Argentina were able to pressure New Zealand into the corner and force poor kicks that didn’t travel all that far, or worse, charge them down.

One of Los Pumas’ tries came from an aerial contest that was batted back to nobody before Mateo Carreras latched onto it.

Sir John Kirwan was critical of the exit plans shown by the All Blacks, which he said simply “wasn’t working” and hadn’t been all season.

“The exit strategy is, how do you get out of pressure? How do you get out of your own half?” Kirwan explained to The Breakdown. 

“And the problem that I’ve got with our exit strategy is our exit strategy at the moment, is to play competitive kicks right landing in our own half and try and compete for them.

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“And I thought yesterday, and for the whole series so far, that’s not working.

“I mean, you know, TJ won’t be happy with this performance of his, but even when we’re there, this needs to be competitive, but you’re not getting out of your own half.

“So if you’re not competitive [in the air], right, then you don’t get out of your half, and then they are still in your half.

“So that would be the first thing that I think we look at. We look at our exit strategy and say, does this suit our game? And if you’re going to have an exit strategy with competitive high balls, do you then look at selection, who are our best high ball catchers.

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Occasionally we’re competitive, but I don’t like the exit strategies. We’re actually not trying to carve out and get them into their own half. That’s my personal opinion.”

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BP 98 days ago

Hey Ben Smit! What did you say again about SA's bark bigger than its bite? 🤣 Fool! Don't see you flapping your lips now. Get different job because you suck at writing about rugby.....

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AB 100 days ago

All blacks not getting enough distance on their kicks out of hand.In the Aus-SA game both their kickers got twice the distance then AB kickers.

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Andrew Nichols 100 days ago

This has been apparent for near on half a decade now. Barrett in oarticular kicks lije a league standoff 10 to 15 m at best. DMac little better. I kind of thought Jonny Sextons lesson would be learnt 30 to 40 m with penalty kicks. The best line kuckers in NZ are Shooter and Jordie, but neither get used regularly.

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RD 100 days ago

Funny how the wheel turns now JK says there was not enough scrums so the AB could not get dominance in the game, in the W/C he cried Wolf because the Saffa's was only playing to scrum. So what did World Rugby do they changed the rules to help the AB and the likes of Mark Williams (the want to me couch not good enough) to try and take the Boks strength away and now it comes home to bit them how cried Wolf😿😁

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DS 101 days ago

Aust has to suffer the insult of having a home game for SA in Australia! All those escapees from dysfunctional SA in love with everything African - as long as they don't have to live there. What a sight!

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Bull Shark 100 days ago

Ouch DS. You big meanie!


I can say that I have met many people from NZ (as well as Aus, the UK and the rest of the developed world) who have made their homes very comfortably here in SA.


And I can tell you that the vast majority of them would rather be here in “dysfunctional SA” than in that fishing village on a damp rock you call home.


Fact.

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DS 101 days ago

Shipping a record 38 points might suggest defence needs a tweak or two? Whose in charge? The ABs scored 30 and normally that would be enough. DMac only missed one long range kick.


Poor old Robertson and mates / "Yesterday .. was such an easy game to play ohh I believe in yesterday.."

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Wayneo 101 days ago

You left out all the best parts of the show mate!!!


Not enough scrums, AB's in a rebuilding stage with lots of inexperience players, leadership issues, lineouts a disaster, dismal recent record at the Cake Tin, lack of support & only selling 25k tickets, complaints about SANZAAR and what their competitions should look like, realization that SA won't ever go back to SR, and how concerned they were with the serious threat the Springboks have become since moving to the Northern Hemisphere.


Very interesting listening to Tim Horan, Jeff & Mills talk about the Wallabies vs Springboks game. Tim mentioned the packed Brisbane stadium and the number of Saffa supporters that turned out to see the World Champions who were ruthless did not disappoint.


They saved the best for last, questioning how they can bridge the gap, not thinking about winning, just combatting a team that are more innovative, fitter, more expansive, physical and on another level.

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JW 101 days ago

What makes you say SA won't ever go back?


Yeah total opposite tactic Aussie is taking right, resting their European players while South Africa's has to play through. What is going to happen with that situation?

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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