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'That's rubbish' - Conor O'Shea braced for the 'usual tripe' about Georgia entering the Six Nations

Conor O'Shea is tired of clichés used to describe Italian Rugby (Getty Images)

Conor O’Shea is braced for the “usual tripe” in the build-up to Italy’s clash with Georgia in Florence next month which is certain to revive the debate over introducing relegation in the Six Nations championship.

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Georgia have replaced Romania as the obvious contenders to push for a place in the Six Nations and Italy’s right to be part of Europe’s elite has been undermined by 13 Wooden Spoons for finishing last since joining the tournament in 2000.

O’Shea saw his men battle back to square the test series 1-1 in Japan in June and with Benetton and Zebre making more of an impact in the Pro14 this season along with Italy’s age group teams impressing, there is much-needed confidence heading into the Autumn tests against Ireland in Chicago (Nov 3), Georgia (Nov 10), Australia in Padua (Nov 17) and New Zealand in Rome (Nov 24).

While O’Shea’s focus is on the opening international with Ireland, he acknowledges the clash with Georgia is going to trigger more debate and he said: “I know that the usual tripe will be trotted out, but Italy has earned every single right to be part of the Six Nations.

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“We know people will be expressing opinions and that is an easy stick to beat us with and always will be. We are not going to change that except through our performances. Japan is a tough place to go and win and we did that in the second test in June and no one is going to mention that a week after our victory Japan beat Georgia 28-0.

“There are lazy people who say we are a set piece orientated side and that we can last 60 minutes blah, blah blah. That’s rubbish. I am really positive because we have some seriously good players and are a team that can score tries. We have game breakers and will play an ambitious style of rugby thanks to improved fitness.

Japan and Italy at Oita Bank Dome in Japan. (Getty Images)
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“Everyone on the outside knows the answers because they don’t have any accountability. If we weren’t making changes and not seeing young players coming through then it would be hard to stay positive but we are making progress. Of course it’s not easy and it never was going to be a case of waving a magic wand. Last year Italy U17s beat France, the U18s defeated England and the U20s to go into the top eight.

“Those players are winning matches and coming into a system they believe is changing. At international level there is no doubt we are becoming more competitive and we have to make the big moments count in matches and get the wins. We lost the first test in Japan in June and did brilliantly to win the second and other than against Ireland, we were competitive in last season’s Six Nations.”

Japan and Italy at Oita Bank Dome in Japan (Getty Images)

With veteran captain Sergio Parisse, who has won 134 caps, having undergone surgery in the summer to ensure he can still be a force in what will be his final 12 months as a player, focus is turning to players such as Gloucester flanker Jake Polledri who could fill the looming void. O’Shea believes 35-year-old Parisse will continue to be a key player through to the 2019 World Cup in Japan and added: “As this team grows together the age profile shows this is just the start of a cycle rather than the end of the era involving senior players like Sergio.

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“This will be a group that sticks together for a long time and will become a very good side which is all we wanted to achieve. Jake Polledri was someone I watched while he was at Hartpury College and it was a case of could he transfer that unique ability to higher levels and he has. He was brought thoroughly slowly and did so well in the second test in Japan.

“There is no doubt that what has been put in place is making a difference not only with Zebre and Benetton, but just look at the results from our U20’s. We would never say we are World beaters but we are putting together a functional and competitive system. Look, we are nowhere near where we could be but we have made significant changes and now real quality players are coming through and that is a massive credit to the coaching teams at the two Pro 14 clubs. The style of rugby and excitement being generated means I am pretty comfortable about where we are going.”

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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