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The 2019 Gatland remarks that foreshadowed Welsh rugby's decline

Steve Hansen speaks with Warren Gatland prior to the World Cup 2019 bronze medal match between New Zealand and Wales in Tokyo (Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images)

Did Warren Gatland see the storm clouds gathering for Welsh rugby back in 2019? A re-read of remarks made by the nation’s greatest ever head coach on eve of the Barbarians versus Wales game the month after they returned from Japan makes for weirdly prophetic reading in 2022.

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Since his departure after that Rugby World Cup, where Wales finished a more than respectable fourth, the trajectory has been resolutely downward for Welsh rugby.

A Six Nations title in 2021 papered over the cracks for Wayne Pivac’s side, but if any Welsh rugby fan was left with any residual optimism then a rude awakening in the form of a fifth-place finish in the same tournament and a humiliating home loss to Italy will have disabused them of it.

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Doom-mongers and perennial critics of the WRU are now sharpening their knives in what seems to have become a perpetual, moveable feast for those bemoaning the sport’s downfall in a country once besotted with the 15-man code.

If anything, it’s been worse away from the Test arena. It wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say the regions have endured a season from hell, both in the URC and in Europe, while internal harassment allegations have rocked the union in recent weeks.

Even from a neutral perspective, it’s been a painful process to watch play out.

Welsh great Jonathan Davies told RugbyPass in February that he feared Wales’ decline needed to be arrested if they didn’t want a repeat of the 1990s.

Yet while the problems may be manifesting most visibly at Test level, there’s a widespread understanding that the issues are not just a case of a dip in form for the national team; it’s a malaise rooted deep in the structural failings of the Welsh system.

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And it might be that Gatland saw it coming.

With the benefit of hindsight, it’s hard not to read New Zealander’s November 2019 comments words as that of a man genuinely fearful for the future of the side he had guided to remarkable success for over a decade.

“I really hope for what we’ve achieved in the last 10-12 years, and we feel we’ve earned respect and put respect back into Wales as an international team, that the new coaches coming in continue to build on that,” Gatland said. “Because what we have done, what we have achieved, it would break my heart if Wales went back into the doldrums.

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“I just want them to continue. There’s an opportunity for the new group to come in and build on what we’ve created and to improve on it.

“It’s not to be too greedy on winning the Six Nations every year, but going out there and performing well in the Six Nations. And to continue to hopefully get a few Six Nations titles over the way and make sure we are as competitive as we can possibly be against the other top nations.

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“We feel we have done that, and I really want Wales to continue to build on that. I want to see these boys be as successful as they possibly can.”

Sadly, that’s not how it’s panning out.

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Poorfour 934 days ago

To be a bit contrarian, I don't see that much change in Wales's performance since the RWC.

They typically do well in years when their tougher 6N games are at home, and badly when they have to play tougher teams away. That has long seen them bouncing between being title challengers and scrabbling to avoid the wooden spoon, something that happened even under Gatland.

They also tend to raise their game for the RWC, but ultimately don't have the squad depth to win 3 knock out games in a row against the top teams.

That's been their story over pretty much every RWC cycle since 1999, barring the loss to Fiji at RWC 2007.

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JPM 25 minutes ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

Unfortunately you don't know anything about French rugby, coaches and players but still making a lot of assumptions and judgements to push your prefabricated and simplistic point of view that Dupont is manipulating everything and is a bad guy. I am not a NZ rugby specialist and wouldn't dare make such theories about what is going on within the ABs team. Therefore my advice to you is to do like Dupont and stay humble when you don't know all the background of the issues !!!


Firstly if you knew a bit of Galthié, he is not the type of coach who is going to ask advice to his players and even his captain about team selection. He is as stubborn as you...


Second Ramos has played a lot of times as 10 with Toulouse and therefore Dupont (in particular when Ntamack is injured and unfortunately it has often happened recently and for long periods). He even played 10 during the last 3 games of the 2024 6N and this was far better performance than the first two games with Jalibert as 10.


Thirdly Jalibert lacked of respect to a La Rochelle player so your theory is once again out.


Fourth as I explained to you Galthié went for a 6-2 bench and Jalibert can only play 10 which doesn't fit that plan. Furthermore as 15 Buros is better under high balls than Ramos and everybody is prepared for a tactical kicking game.


So you can blame Galthié for a lot of things (as you clearly enjoy doing at the end of your post and you should be very happy as an AB fan) but certainly not Dupont. Sorry once more for your conspiracy theory.


And don't worry about potential disharmony in the French team; they are excellent mates around their captain. Jalibert is well known in the French rugby circles to have not a strong character (and we saw that in the WC quarter finals as he is very nervous in any decisive international game unlike Ntamack and Ramos as for his late penalty kick vs England this year).


In conclusion enjoy the game tmrw night. It is good that the ABs are very upset; we should watch a great game of rugby. I hope for running rugby and not too much kicking. With 5 key players injured on our side (Ntamack, Baille, Atonio, Cros and Penaud) and 2 on your side I and various French fans see you as favourites. I obviously hope for another result.


If you are interested you can read a good article in the Guardian on the subject of France-NZ games.

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KB 28 minutes ago
The 'one difference' between Boks and the back-to-back All Blacks

Consistency hasnt been there they have many great players SA were also not unbeaten in the 2023 WC - NZ were in 2015 WC McCaw and Carter Nonu and Smith - SA did not have those Marque players in those postions in 2019 or 2023 - I wouldnt rank them ahead of the 20I5 ABs - They clocked up 60 points against France in the QF - Furthermore I do not believe for one moment SA won 2023 fairly no way - they were so favoured it became obvious that behind the scenes SA the nation bought the title - Their last 3 matches were won by a solitary point there were many contentious decisions that went their way that it became obvious it wasnt coincidence - Sport has been hijacked by a satanic cult just as is Politics

Some players coaches officials and sponsors are involved - they know who they are - its called Freemasonry - any sport that allows betting is corrupt - its not all about money either for these parasites its also about control - Lots of American NFL players have spoken openly about games being scripted - Football is also rigged Referees have been caught on film showing freemason hand signs - The 95 RWC final ranks as the highest and most obvious attempt at cheating There was no way SA were going to allow NZ to gate crash Nelson Mandelas reunification party - NZ were so good they had to posion almost the entire team to get a 3 point win - a Hollywood Movie ( theres your Red Flag ) was made about SAs triumph called Invictus


William Henley wrote a poem called Invictus


It starts


Out of the night that covers me BLACK ( All Blacks ) as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever GODS maybe for my unconquerable Soul ...( Olan says INVICTUS is an evil Malevolent entity who corrupted the Titans ... this is Mandelas double meaning speech ( hes a fraud ) - of thanks for helping overcome SA's adversary NZ - There is only ONE true God Yahuah - Only a false god would be complicit in Cheating Corruption and Harming others to win a RWC for a sick and sinful Nation ) the poem ends with


I am the CAPTAIN of my soul


SA will forever bear the stain of guilt and disgrace over their involvement in poisoning the ABs a day before the 95 RWC Final

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CO 1 hour ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

I cannot believe that you don't think the French rugby team coach and captain are not discussing putting Jalibert on the bench in favour of Duponts club teammate that doesn't even play at 10.


This is a terrible, massive insult to a 10 and I'm sure Dupont would also be very enraged if benched for a player that doesn't even play halfback.


A good captain would've insisted to the coach that it was an idea of madness and either select Jalibert or replace him with another 10 if you want him to be reserve.


Jalibert may not be the world's finest tacklers but that's often not a tens main strength that the loose forwards and second five cover. An intercept pass is never great but they happen.


When any player is playing for his club then it's club first, respect doesn't need to be shown to opposition players simply because they're internationals.


Who exactly are you claiming Jalibert hasn't respected? If it's Toulouse international players then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this bench demotion out.


The outcome of selecting Jalibert to the bench and he then throwing his croissants out the window of the team bus immediately prior to playing the Allblacks is a disaster that will be team disharmony as any team mates of Jalibert are in a state of anger and revolt so a performance that will be sub optimal against a team that is thirsting for revenge against France.


I don't know about you but the Allblacks are very upset they've lost twice in a row to France and want to put out a statement performance so this preparation by Galthie of creating havoc looks to me like a coach that is clueless.

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