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The Andy Farrell answer to Ireland or South Africa being world No1

Ireland head coach Andy Farrell (Photo by Brendan Moran/Sportsfile via Getty Images)

Andy Farrell has claimed he has no interest in adding to the debate over whether his Ireland team or South Africa are currently the world’s best. The Irish travelled to the southern hemisphere four months after clinching back-to-back Six Nations titles and their tour to the home of the back-to-back Rugby World Cup champions generated lengthy chatter in the build-up over who genuinely is No1.

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Ireland beat South Africa 13-8 in a World Cup pool match in Paris last September but last weekend’s 27-20 win by the Springboks led to suggestions that there was quite a gap between the world’s top two ranked sides.

Those claims were then shredded by Saturday’s compelling conclusion in Durban, the Irish grabbing a last-gasp 25-24 win with an 80th-minute Ciaran Frawley drop goal. Head coach Farrell, though, refused to add his tuppence to the ‘who is the best?’ debate in the wake of the two-Test July series being drawn one-all.

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Springbok captain Siya Kolisi on his team’s performance in teh second Test against Ireland

The Springbok players were not on the same page during Saturday’s series decider against Ireland in Durban.

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Springbok captain Siya Kolisi on his team’s performance in teh second Test against Ireland

The Springbok players were not on the same page during Saturday’s series decider against Ireland in Durban.

“I actually don’t care, actually don’t care,” he said in the ground floor room at Kings Park that hosted the post-game media briefings. “Two good sides, you wouldn’t want to separate them.

“It is what it is and you could join a couple of other, even more, two or three, three or four countries into that because I actually think world rugby is in a good state because of that type of competition. Long may it continue.”

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His respect for the South Africans was clearly evident. “We have got a function now. I’m looking forward to that because you guys keep telling us it’s a long old season, a 13-month season for these guys but you wouldn’t think it.

“If we had lost there would have been no excuses at all because when you play for Ireland they are all proper Test matches, so there is no excuses. We’ll enjoy a beer with South Africa because the tussles have been immense.’

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Another aspect that Farrell wasn’t having any of was how Saturday was his 50th match in charge of Ireland since his promotion to head coach following the post-2019 World Cup departure of Joe Schmidt.

“I don’t know the relevance of that. It’s not a milestone and I don’t get the relevance. It’s irrelevant. As far as drama and the pressure we put on ourselves to perform, it is right up there. They [South Africa] are a wonderful team, a magnificent team.

“Last week was difficult for us, we said it as it was, that we weren’t happy, so we had to come out and perform and when you have those conversations, you are talking about character so for that to come through… that’s what sport is all about really.”

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Dave 129 days ago

Well said Andy focus on the rugby leave the BS to everyone else. Definitely at least four or five teams right up there at top level

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CO 129 days ago

Depends on the ref, the Allblacks are at least one point worse if you make them a player short and disallow their tries

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swivel 130 days ago

First Sexton says they didn’t think they’d get far at the World Cup, now their coach says they don’t care if they’re the best or not.

Their is something seriously wrong with the Irish psyche when it comes to competition

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Turlough 130 days ago

Well said Andy. I thought that conversation (started by some British pundits) and pushed everywhere by Rugby media was unfortunate. It was based on a big away victory against a French team who were favourites.
I understand the SA reaction: the implication could be that the best team didn't win the RWC.
The rankings IMO measure different things at different times. In between RWCs it de facto measures the most consistant team in contests between rested squads.
The hemisphere tournaments do stress depth to some degree but not compared to a RWC.
RWC tests the ability of a team to win tough knockout matches deep in a tournament with squad depletion and accumulated fatigue and under massive pressure. It is often not the same beast. That’s why you saw the RWC play out with (arguably) the best one off test team (Ireland) beating SA in a pool, with the best ultimate team SA, winning the cup.
Both SA and Ireland must agree on one thing: NZ are the humblest team of all time. Humble heroes, in fact. 😉

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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