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The 'big' reason why one England player doesn't want Jones sacked

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Knives have been sharpened for Eddie Jones in the wake of the 32-15 England loss to Ireland last Saturday – but one player who had plenty to feel aggrieved about in the past with the Australian has given him a vote of confidence heading into this weekend’s Guinness Six Nations finale in France. Sam Simmonds spent years in the England wilderness, the Exeter No8 even getting to tour South Africa with the 2021 Lions before Jones finally ended the player’s near four-year wait to be capped by his country.

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Simmonds started the March 2018 defeat to Ireland and despite recovering from the serious knee injury he suffered not long after that Six Nations appearance, it took until last November’s Autumn Nations Series game versus Australia to finally bridge a 44-month gap in between England caps. 

The back-rower is now part of the 2022 Six Nations campaign, starting in the losses to Scotland and Ireland and coming off the bench in the wins over Italy and Wales. With England out of the title equation, as they prepare to take on the Grand Slam-chasing France, there has been plenty of speculation that Jones has taken the team as far as he can and shouldn’t be in charge for the 2023 World Cup.  

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However, the effects of his coaching received support on Tuesday from Simmonds who gave the England boss the thumbs up despite this year’s mixed results mirroring the fortunes of their 2021 effort. That culminated in the fifth-place finish that prompted Jones to try-out new players such as Marcus Smith, Harry Randall and Freddie Steward while also giving Simmonds his shot at redemption after an incredibly exhaustive wait. 

It was put to Simmonds at his lunchtime media briefing that the knives were out for Jones 24 hours earlier when the coach fronted the Monday press session and the question posed to the 27-year-old was, ‘Is he the right man to lead England forward?’  

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Simmonds replied: “He [Jones] has improved my game. I wouldn’t say there is a player that has come through into camp that hasn’t gone away – whether they are playing or whether they are going back to their club – that hasn’t improved and taken things on board that Eddie says. His experience in the game is amazing and when he talks, boys listen. 

“I feel like as a group this campaign probably more than any other we have come together as a squad. Although it hasn’t maybe reflected in results, the Scotland and most recently the Ireland game, I feel like people can see, especially at Twickenham, it felt like people could see what it meant for us as players to play for England. 

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“But also we are not just playing for England, we are playing for the coaches and I guess it is big to see that and now much maybe confidence we have in what Eddie does in how we played the game at the weekend.”

The 34-man squad announced by Jones on Monday to train for two days at Pennyhill ahead of the trip to France included the name of Jack Willis for the first time since his terrible injury suffered just minutes after scoring his first England career try in the February 2021 win over Italy. With Tom Curry now out injured, Willis was asked to showcase how his comeback is going just weeks after getting back into the action at Wasps.  

“Tom is a big miss. Any international team would miss someone of his quality but Jack being fit is amazing,” reckoned Simmonds. “He has worked hard over the last year. I know what it is like to have knee injuries, how hard it is to fit back, and his wasn’t straightforward and had a lot of bumps on the road for him.

“To be able to put some games together for Wasps in the last couple of weeks and to be back in the international mix is amazing. We have got good players coming back in. (Sam) Underhill coming back in, Alfie (Barbeary) has been amazing throughout the whole campaign. It is a shame losing Tom but we have got some boys to come back in to fill a spot.”

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fl 1 hour ago
What is the future of rugby in 2025?

on the article "Why defensive aggressor Felix Jones will drive new-look England" I said:


"Look at the kick:pass ratio from England’s games under Borthwick:

Italy 20:100

Argentina 50:100

South Africa 53:100

Fiji 24:100

Samoa 22:100

Chile 12:100

Japan 25:100

Argentina 55:100

Fiji 30:100

Ireland 21:100

Wales 24:100

Wales 13:100

Ireland 26:100

France 22:100

Wales 26:100

Italy 23:100

Scotland 18:100

The average is 27:100

The average in games we have won is 28:100

The average in games we have lost is 26:100, but these averages are skewed by the fact that we have tended to kick less and pass more against worse sides

The average in games where we have beaten current top 10 sides is 35:100

The average in games where we have beaten current top 8 sides is 39:100

The average in games where we have beaten current top 7 sides is 53:100

The average in games where we have lost to teams currently ranked lower than us is 20:100"


on the article "Four talking points after England's narrowest-ever win over Italy" I said:


"Look at the kick:pass ratio from England’s last 8 games

Italy 20:100

Argentina 50:100

South Africa 53:100

Fiji 24:100

Samoa 22:100

Chile 12:100

Japan 25:100

Argentina 55:100

So (1) England spread it wide more yesterday than against anyone bar Chile, and (2) all of england’s best performances have been when we kick loads, and in every match where we kick loads we have had a good performance."


"In particular you're neglecting the impact of the type of D Felix Jones was trying to introduce, which demanded most of England's training energy at the time."


I'm not, actually, I'm hyper aware of that fact and of its impact. I think it is because of the defence that England's new attack faltered so much for the first three games, something you ignore when you try to judge England's attack in the six nations by taking an average of either the trys scored or the rucks completed over the whole tournament.


"International coaches don't just pick those styles like sweets from a sweet shop!"

Yeah, I know. England's defence wasn't exactly the same as SA's, but it was similar. England's attack did rely on turnovers more than the Irish system did, but it was still pretty similar to it, and then shifted to something similar-but-not-identitcal to the Labit/Nick Evans systems, which are themselves similar but not identical.

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fl 2 hours ago
The Fergus Burke test and rugby's free market

"So who were these 6 teams and circumstances of Marcus's loses?"


so in the 2023 six nations, England lost both games where Marcus started at 10, which was the games against Scotland and France. The scotland game was poor, but spirited, and the french game was maybe the worst math england have played in almost 30 years. In all 3 games where Marcus didn't start England were pretty good.


The next game he started after that was the loss against Wales in the RWC warmups, which is one of only three games Borthwick has lost against teams currently ranked lower than england.


The next game he's started have been the last 7, so that's two wins against Japan, three losses against NZ, a loss to SA, and a loss to Australia (again, one of borthwicks only losses to teams ranked lower than england).


"I think I understand were you're coming from, and you make a good observation that the 10 has a fair bit to do with how fast a side can play (though what you said was a 'Marcus neutral' statement)"


no, it wasn't a marcus neutral statement.


"Fin could be, but as you've said with Marcus, that would require a lot of change elsewhere in the team 2 years out of a WC"


how? what? why? Fin could slot in easily; its Marcus who requires the team to change around him.


"Marcus will get a 6N to prove himself so to speak"


yes, the 2022 six nations, which was a disaster, just as its been a disaster every other time he's been given the reigns.

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