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'The biggest thing we have been told is there's no right or wrong'

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Artificial surfaces have been a regular talking point in this season’s Gallagher Premiership as the number of these types of pitches increased to four for the 2021/22 campaign with Saracens gaining promotion back from the Championship and Gloucester getting rid of their grass pitch. Saturday night’s schedule will see the league’s other two artificial surface clubs, Newcastle and Worcester, go head to head on the pitch at Kingston Park after their game was held over from Friday due to Storm Arwen. 

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Much of the headline-making commentary about artificial pitches has been negative. England prop Joe Marler called for a ban after Harlequins’ opener at Newcastle while a picture by Jack Nowell of his burned knees went viral following Exeter’s trip to Gloucester. But what about those clubs who have these surfaces – what is their take on the conversation that has been happening with the season about to head into the depths of the English winter? 

Ex-Wales back-rower Jonathan Thomas has been head coach at Worcester since last January. Their artificial surface is hardly a major influence on the results of their matches – they don’t win all that much. But what does he make of the surface they play on at Sixways? When he initially came to Worcester last year as their defence coach, the artificial pitch was a question he regularly asked about as the club has had a Limonta Max S Turf surface since 2016.  

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“Since coming back to Worcester I had to ask a lot of questions myself because a player I had played on 3G pitches but not consistently in the terms of the club I was at hadn’t one, so you ask a lot of questions. There are a lot of questions around what is the best surface to train on, to play on and all the questions that go with that,” said Thomas before Saturday’s game on Newcastle’s SIS – Rugger surface which they have used since 2014.

“It’s like anything in life, it’s whatever you get used to and if you were to ask our younger players who have not known any different, our 18-to-23-year-olds have never trained on anything other than the 3G pitch. When you speak to them about the 3G pitch they sort of look at you confused, they have got no issue with it because they have not known any different. They like and enjoy it and when you then go and train on grass, they are sort of raising their eyebrows going, ‘Why aren’t we training on the 3G?’ 

“It is whatever you get used to in life and conversely the ones who usually have a little whinge about it are the senior players who have been used to training on grass and softer pitches their whole lives. The biggest thing we have been told is there is no right or wrong. The biggest thing is consistency and where you get potential injuries is the inconsistency (in the use) of the surfaces, not the surface itself. 

“We train full-time on our 3G pitch, which gives us consistency and allows the players’ bodies to adapt to that surface. Our particular surface is coconut so it means we water it and the players don’t perhaps experience the same burns as maybe other pitches, but it is what it is. 

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“When perhaps 20 years ago you were watching mud fests, the positive of 3G pitches in a sport which is about entertainment, in the middle of winter it is giving a better entertaining game because of the consistency of the pitches. But I do also appreciate that for players and teams that don’t play on them every week it is a challenge when they play on an artificial surface because they are not used to it.”

Worcester skipper Ted Hill is one of those 18-to-23-year-old players Thomas was referring to and the artificial pitch is his preference. “As a player who has been at Sixways all my life, I am massively used to playing on 3G and would say I prefer it,” he enthused.

“You get a lot of players who train week in, week out on the grass and they go onto 3G and it’s quite hard, there is a little bit less give but I have played on it all my life and it’s not an issue for me. As a lineout jumper, it is difficult sometimes on the joints but that is the same on grass as well. I would say I prefer the 3G. The only difference is there is a little bit less give and you end up with scratches on it, but we actually don’t here because luckily we have that coconut stuff so it seems to be alright.”

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Joe 1084 days ago

I recall this being a major issue several decades ago in UK football. Whilst I appreciate the difficulties clubs have with playing surfaces in The UK. I thank heavens we don't have to put up with fake grass down here in South Africa. We even refuse to put that shyte in our tiny garden.

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JPM 39 minutes ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

Unfortunately you don't know anything about French rugby, coaches and players but still making a lot of assumptions and judgements to push your prefabricated and simplistic point of view that Dupont is manipulating everything and is a bad guy. I am not a NZ rugby specialist and wouldn't dare make such theories about what is going on within the ABs team. Therefore my advice to you is to do like Dupont and stay humble when you don't know all the background of the issues !!!


Firstly if you knew a bit of Galthié, he is not the type of coach who is going to ask advice to his players and even his captain about team selection. He is as stubborn as you...


Second Ramos has played a lot of times as 10 with Toulouse and therefore Dupont (in particular when Ntamack is injured and unfortunately it has often happened recently and for long periods). He even played 10 during the last 3 games of the 2024 6N and this was far better performance than the first two games with Jalibert as 10.


Thirdly Jalibert lacked of respect to a La Rochelle player so your theory is once again out.


Fourth as I explained to you Galthié went for a 6-2 bench and Jalibert can only play 10 which doesn't fit that plan. Furthermore as 15 Buros is better under high balls than Ramos and everybody is prepared for a tactical kicking game.


So you can blame Galthié for a lot of things (as you clearly enjoy doing at the end of your post and you should be very happy as an AB fan) but certainly not Dupont. Sorry once more for your conspiracy theory.


And don't worry about potential disharmony in the French team; they are excellent mates around their captain. Jalibert is well known in the French rugby circles to have not a strong character (and we saw that in the WC quarter finals as he is very nervous in any decisive international game unlike Ntamack and Ramos as for his late penalty kick vs England this year).


In conclusion enjoy the game tmrw night. It is good that the ABs are very upset; we should watch a great game of rugby. I hope for running rugby and not too much kicking. With 5 key players injured on our side (Ntamack, Baille, Atonio, Cros and Penaud) and 2 on your side I and various French fans see you as favourites. I obviously hope for another result.


If you are interested you can read a good article in the Guardian on the subject of France-NZ games.

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KB 41 minutes ago
The 'one difference' between Boks and the back-to-back All Blacks

Consistency hasnt been there they have many great players SA were also not unbeaten in the 2023 WC - NZ were in 2015 WC McCaw and Carter Nonu and Smith - SA did not have those Marque players in those postions in 2019 or 2023 - I wouldnt rank them ahead of the 20I5 ABs - They clocked up 60 points against France in the QF - Furthermore I do not believe for one moment SA won 2023 fairly no way - they were so favoured it became obvious that behind the scenes SA the nation bought the title - Their last 3 matches were won by a solitary point there were many contentious decisions that went their way that it became obvious it wasnt coincidence - Sport has been hijacked by a satanic cult just as is Politics

Some players coaches officials and sponsors are involved - they know who they are - its called Freemasonry - any sport that allows betting is corrupt - its not all about money either for these parasites its also about control - Lots of American NFL players have spoken openly about games being scripted - Football is also rigged Referees have been caught on film showing freemason hand signs - The 95 RWC final ranks as the highest and most obvious attempt at cheating There was no way SA were going to allow NZ to gate crash Nelson Mandelas reunification party - NZ were so good they had to posion almost the entire team to get a 3 point win - a Hollywood Movie ( theres your Red Flag ) was made about SAs triumph called Invictus


William Henley wrote a poem called Invictus


It starts


Out of the night that covers me BLACK ( All Blacks ) as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever GODS maybe for my unconquerable Soul ...( Olan says INVICTUS is an evil Malevolent entity who corrupted the Titans ... this is Mandelas double meaning speech ( hes a fraud ) - of thanks for helping overcome SA's adversary NZ - There is only ONE true God Yahuah - Only a false god would be complicit in Cheating Corruption and Harming others to win a RWC for a sick and sinful Nation ) the poem ends with


I am the CAPTAIN of my soul


SA will forever bear the stain of guilt and disgrace over their involvement in poisoning the ABs a day before the 95 RWC Final

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CO 1 hour ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

I cannot believe that you don't think the French rugby team coach and captain are not discussing putting Jalibert on the bench in favour of Duponts club teammate that doesn't even play at 10.


This is a terrible, massive insult to a 10 and I'm sure Dupont would also be very enraged if benched for a player that doesn't even play halfback.


A good captain would've insisted to the coach that it was an idea of madness and either select Jalibert or replace him with another 10 if you want him to be reserve.


Jalibert may not be the world's finest tacklers but that's often not a tens main strength that the loose forwards and second five cover. An intercept pass is never great but they happen.


When any player is playing for his club then it's club first, respect doesn't need to be shown to opposition players simply because they're internationals.


Who exactly are you claiming Jalibert hasn't respected? If it's Toulouse international players then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this bench demotion out.


The outcome of selecting Jalibert to the bench and he then throwing his croissants out the window of the team bus immediately prior to playing the Allblacks is a disaster that will be team disharmony as any team mates of Jalibert are in a state of anger and revolt so a performance that will be sub optimal against a team that is thirsting for revenge against France.


I don't know about you but the Allblacks are very upset they've lost twice in a row to France and want to put out a statement performance so this preparation by Galthie of creating havoc looks to me like a coach that is clueless.

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