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The debate over Rhys Webb's eligibility has kicked off again on Twitter

Toulon scrum-half Rhys Webb

With under six months to go until this year’s World Cup in Japan, some players in the northern hemisphere will not have long to impress and earn a place at the tournament, with the season reaching an end.

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However, one debate that looks set to rage on until September is the eligibility of Rhys Webb to represent Wales at the World Cup this year.

This topic was once again raised on BBC Scrum V, and has evoked quite a reaction from Welsh fans on Twitter, with many arguing for and against his inclusion.

Webb joined French giants Toulon at the beginning of the season, making him ineligible to represent Wales as he has under 60 caps. However, there may be measures to make sure he can play in Japan, such as a short-term contract.

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Some fans are very much for this, as ultimately they want the best team possible when it comes to the World Cup, and Webb would still be a favourite to start. Neither Gareth Davies, Tomos Williams or Aled Davies have been able to secure the number nine shirt since Webb departed, and it appears many fans would welcome back the former Osprey with open arms.

This is what they are saying:

https://twitter.com/NMarzy4/status/1114951181489537025
https://twitter.com/Ginger_Ninja27/status/1114995523625394178
https://twitter.com/DavidMBurke/status/1114970253283479562
https://twitter.com/AlunHarries1/status/1114968560655376384
https://twitter.com/rhodri13jw/status/1114951700882829313

On the other hand, it is being argued that Webb knew the consequences of his departure when he left for Toulon, and it is therefore unfair on the other players that have remained in Wales if they miss out on a World Cup place.

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What makes this particularly interesting is that there is a grey area in which Webb may or may not have been aware of the consequences of this move, as Wales implemented the rule at a similar time to the announcement of his departure. With consistent loopholes being found in this ruling, particularly by English clubs, this could lead to another instance where a player has wrangled his way into the Warren Gatland’s team.

This is what the fans are saying:

https://twitter.com/brenzinho/status/1114952856640073728
https://twitter.com/markthomas157cb/status/1114962832477626370
https://twitter.com/richard62467632/status/1115185684325838849
https://twitter.com/AlunHodson/status/1114968824988733440

The crux of the issue to these fans is that Webb knew what he was doing, and he must face the consequences of his move away from Wales. Anything otherwise could prove to be divisive.

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GrahamVF 30 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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JW 6 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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