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'The definition of insanity': Eddie Jones gets 'factual' on World Cup selections

Quade Cooper during an Australian Wallabies training camp at Sanctuary Cove on January 12, 2023 in Gold Coast, Australia. (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)

Eddie Jones has finally revealed the reason for omitting Quade Cooper from Australia’s Rugby World Cup squad.

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Cooper’s axing and the overlooking of fellow elder statesman and former Test captain Michael Hooper were the most contentious of several eyebrow-raising squad decisions from Jones.

Cooper was axed in favour of greenhorn playmakers Carter Gordon and Ben Donaldson in a selection gamble that spectacularly backfired as the Wallabies failed to progress out of the knockout stages for the first time in World Cup history.

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Even more perplexing to disillusioned fans and former greats was how Cooper’s dumping came after the 35-year-old was captured on TV as the most vocal figure in the Wallabies’ huddle immediately after almost beating the All Blacks in Dunedin in August.

But Jones on Tuesday said the Wallabies’ inability once again to close out a big game – this time when Cooper was the five-eighth “finisher” after coming on as a replacement – was the final straw.

Instead of being heartened by Australia almost snapping a 22-year, 28-Test winless drought in New Zealand in their final match before leaving for France, the coach made a shock decision to shift to his youth policy after the 23-20 heartbreaker.

“Well, we weren’t good enough to beat the All Blacks. We had them on toast 17-3 and we couldn’t finish the game off,” Jones said.

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“Let’s be quite factual about that. I just thought we’re not going to get anywhere with that group of players.

“I probably thought they’d maximised themselves out and we’d had that group of players for a period of time.

“And I always go back to the definition of insanity: you know, keep doing the same thing, expect different results.

“So I tried something different, went for youth, and it will have favourable results further down the track.”

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Facing the media for the first time since Australia’s failure to make the quarter-finals in France, Jones is backing the same core group of young stars to take the Wallabies to the 2027 World Cup on home soil.

“If you look at the number of players we took to the World Cup who are still to reach their peak – players like (Fraser) McReight, (Tate) McDermott, (Ben) Donaldson, (Tom) Hooper, (Max) Jorgensen – there are a number of players there who are at the start of their international career,” he said.

“Most of them showed during the World Cup that they have enough to really go forward and be very good players for Australia.

“We throw in a few other players from around the place and we have a nucleus of a really good team.”

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Saying he didn’t return home “to eat fish and chips and drink flat white at Coogee Beach”, the 63-year-old maintains he must serve as an agent for change for Australian rugby to move forward after the Wallabies slumped to a new low of No.10 in the world.

“Everyone hates change because it is uncomfortable,” Jones said.

“Everyone likes the status quo.

“And we had the courage, whether it be the right courage, to make the choice that we would go with a younger squad. The young squad will stand Australia in good stead.

“You’ve just got to look at the quarter-finals and look where we’re at.

“We’re not at that level and we need to get to that level, and that can be done through hard work.

“It can be done through smart planning, through consistently thinking about world-class standards, and that’s what we need to get to in Australian rugby.”

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by George! 430 days ago

Australia if you buy that tripe from Eddie then your as gullible as the town of Springwood buying the monorail in a hilarious episode of the Simpsons some years back, go look it up. Eddie was hired to put together a side to win the 2023 RWC and failed badly. He is now trying to tell you he was left with no other option but pick an untested youth team, BS! Experience over youth then surrounding youthful prodigies with experience. He's now trying to keep himself in a job that's going to take eight not four years. Enjoy the monorail. Suckers!

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Aziz 430 days ago

absolute nonsense EJ. Look at the number of players at RWC2023 who are well past 30 & still performing. U want to rebuild for RW Oz in 2027? Fine. should have done that after RWC2023, not during. unbelievable that someone with his experience with many teams and over many RWCs should miss this point

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G 430 days ago

I would add that the definition of insanity is appointing Eddie over and over again with the same results

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G 430 days ago

Dumb and dumber

All available information shows the value of experience in the RWC and you can manage youth and experience (see France, Boks, NZ, Ireland, etc) at the same time

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Pecos 430 days ago

Bullshit artist artisting bullshit, on repeat . . .

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Poe 430 days ago

Factual and Eddie can't coexist in the same space.

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Chris 430 days ago

ARU betrayed Rennie for this weasel
This debacle is down to them

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Diarmid 430 days ago

I’ve always been a fan of QC and even more so in the twilight of his career, it would have been great for him (and Carter Gordon) to have been part of the wider group in France.

As for Carter Gordon, I hope he doesn’t fall into that category of players who are falsely labelled as having been spent early in their career as a result of having been made a scapegoat for the Wallabies’ failure to get out of their pool.

Often so much is made of young stars who have shown promise at club or provincial level, only to be discarded on the basis of one or two poor performances in their first few caps. It’s said that these players’ confidence was dashed by having to face the harsh reality of the step up to test rugby. I disagree; players like Gordon remind me of someone like Matthew Tait of England. He was picked up and dumped by Gavin Henson in his first cap and England were humiliated by Wales that day, he was made a scapegoat and for years pundits and the press claimed that his confidence was destroyed by that game. Nonsense. He wasn’t picked after that game, that’s why we didn’t get to see him develop into the player who went on to absolutely tear it up against SA in the 2007 final. England have a habit of doing this with quality players; Tait, Cipriani, Wade, Simpson, Simpson-Daniel, Radwan, Arundell, Quirke, Randall, Mercer, both Simmonds could and would have all had decent test careers if they had been picked regularly.

France have a totally different approach to talent. They stuck with N’Tamack for two years when the entire country was crying out for Jalibert who was already the finished article but instead what they got was two world class fly halves and N’Tamack continues to develop into what is likely to become one of the great fly halves of all time.

Returning to Eddie Jones, I think Matt below hits the nail on the head when he points out that Jones has failed to name-check Gordon. Jones seems to be one of those people who has lingered around big business and elite sports since the 80s, a man who revels in being aggressive and harsh on the basis that this confident and direct attitude will somehow rub off on his players. It’s a myth that I expect Scott Robertson to debunk at the ABs over the next few years with an approach based on humanity and instilling trust in and between the playing group and staff.

Jones’ gamble has ultimately failed and what he leaves is a tainted legacy for Hooper and Cooper and a fly half who has to carry the psychological weight of a nation being sent home for the first time in the pool stages. Whatever you think of the risk Jones took in favoring youth over experience, his man-management in the wake of this decision has been abysmal.

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ruckaa 430 days ago

its important for aussie to do well down south here . peole say they love eddie and his snappy one liners love the colours he brings with his outrageous quips yeah well snappy and colour hows that working out for you eddie no no no mate your a loser you have been losing for a long time now luck follows winners and since you backdoored dave rennie who i believe was about to bring on a team to threaten the anybody you managed to slowly lose lose lose culminating with 1/4 final exit this guy is toast aussies no one likes hmi even his old ass coaches dont want to work with him comes a time when your too old and you are just not that smart at getting your message across like you used to he sees the picture but cant paint the portrait anymore kick him to the curb he didnt even come close at the world cup Aussies are athletes they just need a real leader hes there find him eddie just makes everyone pissed off now the magic it goes as you get older i Aussies are athletes like the frikken best in the world so WTF its eddie thats WTF

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Mzilikazi 430 days ago

“Everyone hates change because it is uncomfortable,” Jones said.”

I know one change I would not find at all uncomfortable. Getting rid of Eddie Jones real fast. I genuinely think the man is mentally ill. He needs medical help. I know I should feel sorry for him. Might when the bitterness and rage subsides with time, I suppose.

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JW 19 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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