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The England verdict on rookie out-half and two 18-year-old props

New England No10 Connor Slevin closes in on an Ireland ball carrier (Photo by World Rugby)

Mark Mapletoft thought he had seen and done it all at the Junior World Championship but Saturday’s dramatic draw for England versus Ireland and its potential semi-final qualification ramifications left the seasoned coach stumped.

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“I have done three Junior World Cups previously, never drawn a game so I have absolutely no idea,” he told RugbyPass, trying to get his head around the fall-out from the 34-all classic served up in Paarl.

“I guess both us and Ireland will be pleased we didn’t lose because that would have been a five-two points swing. As it is, three-three, it keeps it in the melting pot. All we can focus on is our next game against Fiji, give them respect and if we can perform as we did against Ireland with some obvious improvements we will be pleased.”

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It was only on May 22 when U18s coach Mapletoft was confirmed as England U20s head coach, succeeding the Leicester-bound Alan Dickens. A two-game tour to Georgia quickly opened his eyes, his new charges losing in their second outing in Tbilisi, but they dusted themselves down impressively to match Ireland just 14 weeks after they have lost by 12 points to the same opposition in Cork in the Six Nations.

“Pre-season are what they are, you see it in all sports. You see it in football a lot. Teams have a great pre-season, win every game and then start the league season off with four losses. It [defeat in Tbilisi) was nothing really, we were very grateful for the opportunity Georgia gave us to go out there.

“We tried a few combinations with different players, we tried to implement a few new things and we knew internally we were building towards this. The last game we played in the Six Nations we did some things really well, we did some things not so well and of course we played most of the second half with 14 men after Monty (Bradbury) was red carded and there were yellow cards as well.

“We knew that we had a chance to be competitive, but we needed to be on top of our game. We did some really good things and we have some areas we need to tidy up.

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“One of our young coaches asked me, ‘How have you been doing this for 10 years at club level?’ The difference at club level is you probably get another game the week after the week after and the week after but with this, it is a bit of a shootout because you have got your three pool games and you have to be successful in them.

“Was it a fair result in the end? You’d probably have to say we were disappointed in the number of opportunities we had in their 22. They [Ireland] were super clinical when they had opportunities and probably uncharacteristically Sam (Prendergast), their fly-half, missed four kicks at goal.

“The last one was close but certainly it puts a slightly different perspective on it. In terms of the things we worked on leading into this, just building on what we did in the Six Nations, what we did in Georgia and overall, everybody we pretty pleased with how we performed.”

Particularly as out-half, where Connor Slevin was making his debut at this age-grade level, and at prop. “It’s hard to pick anybody out really but given the amount of involvement Connor Slevin has had with the group and the fact that he hasn’t played an awful lot at fly-half, to go up against someone of Sam’s quality, he has played first-team for Leinster, I thought Connor did a fantastic job.

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“We had a good impact off the bench from Jacob (Cusick) on the wing and definitely in our front row, we started to get the squeeze on the scrum in the second half. We have got two 18-year-old props (Asher Opoku-Fordjour of Sale and the currently unattached Afolabi Fasogbon) and that is a big thing. Neither of them is 19 yet.

“For us that was really pleasing, we put a lot of work into them as a coaching group leading into coming out here. Small wins are there. I’m not necessarily detracting from the rest of the group’s performance, but Connor and the front row were probably two big wins for us.”

Next up for England is Fiji in Stellenbosch on Thursday, while Ireland will take on Australia in Paarl earlier that day. What will the Mapletoft message be to his squad? “We have got to recover well, that is the most important thing. Not a lot of lads play with the five-day turnaround, and it will be a different type of test against Fiji, a different approach to the game and we are going to have to make changes.

“People will get opportunities to get into the squad. It’s a squad effort, it’s a support staff effort. We stressed that from word go and the tighter he can be off the pitch performances will look after themselves hopefully.”

One element that Mapletoft will be leaning on is the input of Brian Ashton, the 2007 Rugby World Cup final boss who is part of the U20 backroom staff. “I picked this up after Alan left for Leicester three or four weeks ago so it has been a bit of a bit of a baptism of fire for me personally, but it has been brilliant to be able to lean on Brian.

“He is a top-class operator, been to World Cup finals, been around the game for a long period of time, and just little things like how caring you are around the players but also how demanding you have to be, there is a really fine line.

“Luckily, I have been coaching long enough to have experienced that and you learn your lessons along the way. I have learned lessons from doing this previously, I had 10 years at Quins, amazing experiences up and down, how to deal with players, what happens when things aren’t going so well, and how do you react under pressure.

“Brilliant to be able to lean on Brian. He has been an integral part of the group through the Six Nations and over here.”

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JW 1 hour ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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