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The Finn Carnduff verdict on England U20s making 12 changes

England U20s skipper Finn Carnduff (Photo by Thinus Maritz/World Rugby)

England age-grade coach Mark Mapletoft certainly isn’t afraid of rolling the dice at the World Rugby U20 Championship. No other team measures up to his chutzpah in changing a dozen of his starting XV for Thursday’s clash with Fiji in Athlone.

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Wales came close, making 10 alterations for their meeting with Spain at the same venue, but for most of the other teams it was business as usual selection-wise at the tournament. What the wholesale shake-up said about England is that they trust their strength in depth, but also that skipper Finn Carnduff is too invaluable to lose as a leader.

The blindside talisman from Leicester Tigers is one of the three repeats picks from last Saturday’s match day one win over Argentina and his leadership was something Mapletoft wasn’t prepared to sacrifice.

“I feel good. Came out of the first game feeling fresh, wanted to play again,” explained Carnduff to RugbyPass. “And look, I want to play rugby, I enjoy playing rugby so any opportunity I have to, it is good to go and do it.”

What especially influenced Mapletoft’s thinking is the five-day turnaround between games. Having opened with a draw versus Ireland last year in Paarl, the coach also made multiple changes for the subsequent round two match against Fiji in Stellenbosch.

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A comfortable win was attained that Thursday evening 12 months ago, England taking the spoils on a 53-7 scoreline, and they will be hoping to pull through as comfortably again even though the Fijians are expected to be better than what they showed in their 7-57 loss to South Africa last Saturday, a game where preparations were hampered by a dozen of their squad only receiving their visas to fly out four days before the match.

“A tough first game for them having had the travel that they had against a very good South African team and we knew that, so we can expect a much better Fiji team this week,” reckoned Carnduff.

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“We fully respect them, we played them this time last year and we saw the upset they nearly had against Australia, so we are very much prepared for an outstanding Fiji performance and be ready for it.”

About the England’s multiple alterations, Carnduff suggested: “The competition is a tough one. Five games in such a short period of time, squad rotation is key. Some of the boys have got their chance this week, so I am excited to see them. Some of the boys have got their debuts against Fiji on Thursday.”

Who of the new crew should England fans watch out for? “Ollie Allan at nine, got his debut against last week. He is a really cool, calm had having not got much opportunity in the Six Nations due to injury. It’s great to have him in the team. Arthur Green from Bath, starting at eight on Thursday is another big ball carrier and again an older lad in the team who will put his best foot forward on his debut.

“We have got to start the game how we finished it,” continued the skipper, referencing how England had to turn around a 14-point deficient to beat Argentina 40-21. “Argentina really rested us in that first 20-minute period. We probably weren’t firing on all cylinders and they took advantage of that. Starting the game as we finished it is the main take away.”

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Six teams, including England, picked up all five points of offer on match day one, while Wales, who grabbed two bonus points in their loss to New Zealand, were the seventh and only team to put some points on the table.

What did Carnduff make of the across-the-board action? “Just every team is full of quality. Maybe some teams that we thought wouldn’t be as strong proved to be stronger than anticipated and it showed there were a lot of close games throughout all the games in the first round. It’s exciting for the tournament really.”

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finn 141 days ago

I really hope Pollock is dropped, not just rotated.

He’s probably the best player in the world his age but he plays like a guy who is determined to waste his talent.

His linespeed is distinctly average, his kick chase is too, and his tracking back on opposition kicks is slower than even a prop would consider acceptable. For an openside flanker that is completely out of line. The lad seriously needs a wakeup call.

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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