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The Ford, Farrell verdict on England reviving their old 10/12 combo

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George Ford and Owen Farrell have spoken about being reunited in the same starting England team for the first time since March 2021. Steve Borthwick has decided that this Saturday’s Rugby World Cup pool match versus Samoa in Lillie – eight days before they will play a quarter-final in Marseille against most likely Fiji – is the perfect opportunity to revive the 10/12 partnership that took their country all the way to the final at Japan 2019.

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Both players have had spells out of the game through injury since the Guinness Six Nations loss to Ireland in Dublin two and a half years ago, while the emergence of Marcus Smith in the final year of the Eddie Jones era was also a factor in the old 10/12 alliance not getting a run.

However, having played the closing 30 minutes of the September 23 pool match versus Chile with Ford coming off the bench to play at out-half and Farrell switching out from No10 to his inside centre position, Borthwick has now decided to use this throwback partnership from the start at Stade Mauroy.

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In a further nod to times past, the head coach has also named Manu Tuilagi at outside centre, so this Saturday will be the first time since the March 2020 Six Nations fixture against Wales in London that Ford, Farell and Tuilagi will take the field as England’s starting 10, 12, 13 combination.

After naming a starting England XV that showed 14 changes from the last day with Farrell the only retained starter, Borthwick said: “It’s an opportunity this week for the first time in a while playing George Ford and Owen Farrell together at 10 and 12 and I am excited to see that partnership goes together.”

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It was only in August, after Farrell got caught up in red card trouble, that Ford started his first Test match since March 2021. But he has since had official player of the match performances versus Argentina and Japan at the World Cup and he spoke in Lille on Thursday night about his delight at now being named at out-half versus Samoa with Farrell playing at No12.

“It’s something we are excited about,” he enthused. “We have done it many times before and had some real success with it in the past so it’s great. Owen is a great leader for us, he’s another voice in terms of when we want to move the ball, distribute the ball which hopefully leads to some try-scoring opportunities at the weekend.

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“Overall, we are all massively excited. The way the week has gone and the way the backline has been it has been very, very positive and we are looking forward to showing that at the weekend.

“We both play 10 for our clubs. I have had a period of time out of the game but in terms of the understanding of the game and the way we want to try and work together as a part of the backline, as part of the team, probably hasn’t changed that much.

“We just want to do whatever the best thing is for the team at that time and it’s probably a little bit irrelevant what number we have got on our backs, to be honest with you. We want to be the best version of ourselves in a great team playing well. That is what we will endeavour to do.”

Farrell was happy with the prospect of starting a Test alongside Ford after such a long gap. “This week felt good is what I will say, this week on the training field felt good. I’m obviously pretty close to George anyway, we speak about everything rugby-wise regardless of what the team is. We are on the same page.

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“I’m looking forward to it. People talk about the amount of times we have played together before but not for a while. We’d both hope we have kicked on since we last played together so hopefully we will show that at the weekend.

“We have done everything we need to. As I said, we are pretty much like that anyway. We’d watch training back together at times, we’d talk about anything that we feel has happened in training or the team needs or anything and the work between us comes up in that and that not just there, there are other people around us as well.

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“George has had a great partnership with Alex (Mitchell, scrum-half) so far and I’m looking forward to playing with Manu again as well, so there is a lot more than just that single partnership that you are talking about when it comes to team performance this weekend.”

Borthwick confirmed that Farrell will be on goal-kicking duties versus Samoa, a responsibility that should see him surpass Jonny Wilkinson as the all-time England record points scorer. Farrell needs just two points to go past Wilkinson’s tally of 1,179.

“I haven’t given it too much thought,” said Farrell about the impending record. “It’s not something that you like to think about too much before anything is done. My sole concentration is on the game at the weekend and preparing for what is a massive test against Samoa.

“The one thing I will say is it has been honour to have the chance to play for England as much as I have. To be in the vicinity of that record, to be able to play with this group of players and all the players I have played with before and staff, the one thing I would say is it has been an honour so far.”

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JW 4 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Like I've said before about your idea (actually it might have been something to do with mine, I can't remember), I like that teams will a small sustainable league focus can gain the reward of more consistent CC involvement. I'd really like the most consistent option available.


Thing is, I think rugby can do better than footballs version. I think for instance I wanted everyone in it to think they can win it, where you're talking about trying to make so the worst teams in it are not giving up when they are so far off the pace that we get really bad scorelines (when that and giving up to concentrate on the league is happening together). I know it's not realistic to think those same exact teams are going to be competitive with a different model but I am inclined to think more competitive teams make it in with another modem. It's a catch 22 of course, you want teams to fight to be there next year, but they don't want to be there next year when theres less interest in it because the results are less interesting than league ones. If you ensure the best 20 possible make it somehow (say currently) each year they quickly change focus when things aren't going well enough and again interest dies. Will you're approach gradually work overtime? With the approach of the French league were a top 6 mega rich Premier League type club system might develop, maybe it will? But what of a model like Englands were its fairly competitive top 8 but orders or performances can jump around quite easily one year to the next? If the England sides are strong comparatively to the rest do they still remain in EPCR despite not consistently dominating in their own league?


So I really like that you could have a way to remedy that, but personally I would want my model to not need that crutch. Some of this is the same problem that football has. I really like the landscape in both the URC and Prem, but Ireland with Leinster specifically, and France, are a problem IMO. In football this has turned CL pool stages in to simply cash cow fixtures for the also ran countries teams who just want to have a Real Madrid or ManC to lose to in their pool for that bumper revenue hit. It's always been a comp that had suffered for real interest until the knockouts as well (they might have changed it in recent years?).


You've got some great principles but I'm not sure it's going to deliver on that hard hitting impact right from the start without the best teams playing in it. I think you might need to think about the most minimal requirement/way/performance, a team needs to execute to stay in the Champions Cup as I was having some thougt about that earlier and had some theory I can't remember. First they could get entry by being a losing quarter finalist in the challenge, then putting all their eggs in the Champions pool play bucket in order to never finish last in their pool, all the while showing the same indifference to their league some show to EPCR rugby now, just to remain in champions. You extrapolate that out and is there ever likely to be more change to the champions cup that the bottom four sides rotate out each year for the 4 challenge teams? Are the leagues ever likely to have the sort of 'flux' required to see some variation? Even a good one like Englands.


I'd love to have a table at hand were you can see all the outcomes, and know how likely any of your top 12 teams are going break into Champions rubyg on th back it it are?

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fl 7 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Right, so even if they were the 4 worst teams in Champions Cup, you'd still have them back by default?"

I think (i) this would literally never happen, (ii) it technically couldn't quite happen, given at least 1 team would qualify via the challenge cup, so if the actual worst team in the CC qualified it would have to be because they did really well after being knocked down to the challenge cup.

But the 13th-15th teams could qualify and to be fair I didn't think about this as a possibility. I don't think a team should be able to qualify via the Champions Cup if they finish last in their group.


Overall though I like my idea best because my thinking is, each league should get a few qualification spots, and then the rest of the spots should go to the next best teams who have proven an ability to be competitive in the champions cup. The elite French clubs generally make up the bulk of the semi-final spots, but that doesn't (necessarily) mean that the 5th-8th best French clubs would be competitive in a slimmed down champions cup. The CC is always going to be really great competition from the semis onwards, but the issue is that there are some pretty poor showings in the earlier rounds. Reducing the number of teams would help a little bit, but we could improve things further by (i) ensuring that the on-paper "worst" teams in the competition have a track record of performing well in the CC, and (ii) by incentivising teams to prioritise the competition. Teams that have a chance to win the whole thing will always be incentivised to do that, but my system would incentivise teams with no chance of making the final to at least try to win a few group stage matches.


"I'm afraid to say"

Its christmas time; there's no need to be afraid!

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