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The four players Ben Youngs expects to battle for the England No9 shirt

Ben Youngs of England applauds the fans as he is substituted off in his last match for England during the Rugby World Cup France 2023 Bronze Final match between Argentina and England at Stade de France on October 27, 2023 in Paris, France. (Photo by Hannah Peters/Getty Images)

After a record 127 matches for England, and a further two for the British & Irish Lions, Ben Youngs bowed out of Test rugby at the end of the World Cup in the bronze medal final against Argentina.

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The Leicester Tigers No9 started in the victory over the Pumas at the Stade de France to bring to an end his 13-year international career. Having been a staple of England squads during that period, his retirement will usher in a scramble to see who his successor will be.

England head coach Steve Borthwick has used Youngs sparingly since taking over the team last year, so the 34-year-old has seen the next generation of scrum-halves emerge in front of his eyes. As a guest on The Rugby Pod this week, Youngs listed the four players that he thinks will all compete for the white No9 jersey over the next World Cup cycle.

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“In my opinion,” he said. “The next group that I think will contest for that No9 and No21 shirt will be Mitch [Alex Mitchell], JvP [Jack van Poorvliet], it’s going to be Raffi Quirke if he can just stay fit and get a run of games. I still think Harry Randall has a lot to give, he can be a real impactful player in terms of his busy-ness, the way he plays the game, speed of ball and everything like that.

“So I think those four really, and no doubt now to the next World Cup in four years there will be someone that will come through. There will be [someone] from another club as well. So right now, I look at those four and think they’ve got some really good talent there that will battle it out.”

Despite not originally being selected in England’s World Cup squad, Northampton Saints’ Mitchell finished the tournament as the first choice scrumhalf with another veteran Danny Care serving as his back-up. Mitchell took the place of Youngs’ Leicester teammate van Poortvliet, who sustained an ankle injury in the World Cup warm-ups.

Quirke and Randall have not been part of the Test scene for over a year now, with the 22-year-old Sale Sharks No9 Quirke earning the last of his two caps in autumn of 2021, while Bristol Bears’ Harry Randall earned the last of his six caps in the 2022 Six Nations.

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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