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The gnawing doubt at the heart of the Springboks selection policy

South Africa leaves the field after warm up session before The Rugby Championship match between the New Zealand All Blacks and South Africa Springboks at Mt Smart Stadium on July 15, 2023 in Auckland, New Zealand. (Photo by Dave Rowland/Getty Images)

Every sports fan inevitably reaches a tipping point. It doesn’t happen all at once. First it’s a trickle, then it’s a deluge. Suddenly you’re submerged in a sea of inescapable truth. You blink your eyes open as you come up for air and realise that all the players representing your team are younger than you.

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If you’re a fan of the Springboks and still in your 20s, you’re in luck. No other side with a realistic shot at winning the World Cup in two months’ time has more men in their 30s than South Africa. There are older geezers – in sporting terms at least – knocking about in other squads. Johnny Sexton is 38. Argentina have a pair of 38-year-old front-rowers in Agustin Creevy and Franscisco Gomez Kodela. But with 19 members currently on their third decade around the sun, Jacques Nienaber’s outfit are older than most.

The reasons behind this are multifaceted. Nienaber inherited a core group from his predecessor and mentor, Rassie Erasmus, that had arguably not yet reached its peak. Four years ago the likes of Siya Kolisi, Eben Etzebeth, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Frans Malherbe, Damian de Allende and a clutch of other key figures were in their late-20s and beginning to ascend the apex of their careers.

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What’s more, Nienaber, either through a reluctance to change things up or a lack of options elsewhere, has largely stuck with the same group that won the World Cup in Japan. In fact, if everyone was fit, Nienaber could conceivably field 21 of the 23 players that beat England in Yokohama for the opening game of his team’s title defence and call it his best team. All he’d have to do is replace the now-retired duo of Tendai Mtawarira at loosehead prop and Francois Steyn on the bench.

None of this is news to anyone who has been paying attention but it is remarkable nonetheless and is perhaps not receiving the appropriate attention it deserves. What’s more, the relatively unchanged make-up of the Springboks squad can either be used as a stick to beat Nienaber – who might be painted as conservative by his critics – or as proof that Erasmus’ heir is adept at conserving a legacy and a match-winning game-plan.

There is of course a precedent for this. The Springboks are looking to do something that only the great All Blacks side under Steve Hansen achieved and that is defending a World Cup crown. Four years on from shaking the monkey off their back by squeezing past France in 2011, Richie McCaw skippered a team bursting with experience. Four of the 31-strong group that arrived in England had more than 100 caps to their name and Ma’a Nonu would join them by the time they trounced Australia in Twickenham. However, that squad only had 11 players in their 30s and Keven Mealamu was the oldest at 36.

And so one has to ask, has Nienaber allowed the Springboks to grow old under his watch? Some supporters might baulk at what may appear to be a snide chide lobbed from the safety of a laptop, but it’s worth a wonder. The recent form of Bongi Mbnomabi (32), Faf de Klerk (31) and Makazole Mapimpi (33) has been questioned by pundits online and on screen. The fitness of Siya Kolisi (32) is a serious concern. Champions all of them, and world class on their day. But some alarm bells are worth sounding even if they’re later dismissed as annoying fire-drills.

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DURBAN, SOUTH AFRICA – SEPTEMBER 24: Siya Kolisi captain of South Africa and Jacques Nienaber coach of South Africa react after The Rugby Championship match between South Africa and Argentina at Hollywoodbets Kings Park on September 24, 2022 in Durban, South Africa. (Photo by Darren Stewart/Gallo Images/Getty Images)

The truth is very few instrumental Springboks have yet to reach their best years and too many must look in the rearview mirror to see their own. Malcolm Marx is unquestionably a force that continues to rise. Important props and wingers could be described in such terms. Everywhere else though, gnarled veterans lead the vanguard. That isn’t necessarily a problem. Not when those grizzled and greying warhorses continue to excel.

At the heart of this is Duane Vermeulen and Willie le Roux, who both start this weekend against Argentina. Both have had their share of criticism – the former dismissed as too old and the latter regularly disregarded for his supposed weaknesses – but both continue to confound logic and time.

Vermeulen, at 37, is the oldest member of the group though he’s no mascot. The Springboks have used ageing players who are good around the camp to help inject bonhomie into World Cup campaigns. Bobby Skinsstad performed this role in 2007 while Schalk Brits set a benchmark for the job in 2019.

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Vermeulen’s own story, one that includes the premature death of a parent and numerous injury setbacks, has proved a lightning rod for players and supporters who believe in the mythology of the Springboks. But, more importantly. he has continued to have an impact at the elite level 12 years on and could still challenge Jasper Wiese for first dibs on the No. 8 jersey.

Le Roux has less worries concerning his position in the team. No other Springbok player this past cycle has shown anywhere near the game management and tactical nous displayed by the 33-year-old fullback. Despite a litany of reasons touted by detractors – from an apparent lack of bravery and physicality, to his insecurity under the high ball – he remains the working brain in the backline. You get the full picture when you watch him live because his magic is not always captured by the four walls of a TV camera. Even without the ball he is dictating the direction of an attack or pulling teammates into position. It’s no wonder he has assisted more tries than any other South African on a Test pitch.

Le Roux and Vermeulen will play their last Test on home soil this Saturday against Argentina. They deserve a hero’s send-off in Johannesburg. Not that they’ll be thinking of that. This match against the Pumas will simply be a launchpad for their final push over the next six weeks.

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byron 507 days ago

There is enough succession planning that I am not too concerned post WC.
1) Ox
2) Marx
3) Du toit
4) Eben/RG
5)Lood
6) Van Staden
7) JL du Plessis
8) Wiese
9)Hendrickse
10) libbok
11) Arendse
12) Esthethuizen
13) AM
14) Moodie
15) Willemse

Those guys all have a fair bit of experience now and are likely to be around for at least 2 years post WC

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Mark 509 days ago

When England won the WC in 2003 their squad had been labelled as "Dad's army" because of its average age.
Age In and of itself is no impediment to winning a WC, the problem will more than likely manifest itself post the WC when SA will lose a large tranche of ageing players in one go.
If the succession plan isn't in place, they could struggle in the next WC cycle!!

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Flankly 509 days ago

It's an experienced team, with an average age in the squad of around 29 years and tons of caps. Some coaches believe in experience, so fair play.

What's the point of the discussion? That they are too old to be competitive in the 2023 RWC? Maybe. We will see. But in the age of real time telemetry the coaches are tracking a lot of data about fitness and stamina. Don't hold you breath if you are waiting for them to tire in the game. If that were a big risk the coaches would have been starting the younger players in the wider squad.

The stated goal for the depth chart is three in each position, including two experienced options and an up and coming player. Count the number of players picked in the last year, and analyze their positions and you will see that there has been a structured and intentional program to build that depth. Of course to build that three per position model they have been monitoring and working with a much wider group.

So what about the 2027 RWC? There are bokphobes out there declaring that there will be a post 2023 crisis and a need for an immediate reboot of the whole program, to bring in youngsters and start again. That's just not consistent with the facts.

The following team of current Boks could easily be the starting 15 in 2027, though more likely the will form the core and we will see more youngsters coming through over the next couple of years:

Outside backs:
Willemse, Moodie, Arendse

Centers:
Esterhuizen, Kriel

Halfbacks:
Williams/Hendrickse/H Jantjies, Libbok

Back Row:
Roos, Wiese/Du Preez, Van Staden

Second row:
Snyman, Kleyn

Front row:
Du Toit, Dweba, Nche

No one thinks that this will be the starting 15 in four years time, but any of these players is a potential starter in 2027. Furthermore, of those that are unlikely to be around for the 2027 RWC, many of them can continue for a couple of years of transition, as needed.

The Springboks will need renewal, and maybe more than most teams, but it's not a crisis or a reboot. The squad is built for continuity, and if Nienanber is allowed to do it then we will see him stick with the plan, layering in more youngsters as some of the more experienced players move on.

The bok coaches believe in experience and continuity. I have no doubt that we will continue to see both. They already have their eyes on the next wave of Boks.

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finn 509 days ago

I've been saying this for a long time, and the resistance of saffas to accepting the facts about their team has been quite astounding.

South Africa might not do too badly this year (by which I mean they will probably make it out of their group), but 2024 onwards things are going to get really painful.

The next four year cycle will require a level of squad turnover on a par with what France and Italy have done this time around, with the difference being that where France and Italy are building golden generations, South Africa won't be.

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fl 34 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Would I'd be think"

Would I'd be think.


"Well that's one starting point for an error in your reasoning. Do you think that in regards to who should have a say in how it's setup in the future as well? Ie you would care what they think or what might be more fair for their teams (not saying your model doesn't allow them a chance)?"

Did you even read what you're replying to? I wasn't arguing for excluding south africa, I was pointing out that the idea of quantifying someone's fractional share of european rugby is entirely nonsensical. You're the one who was trying to do that.


"Yes, I was thinking about an automatic qualifier for a tier 2 side"

What proportion of european rugby are they though? Got to make sure those fractions match up! 😂


"Ultimately what I think would be better for t2 leagues would be a third comp underneath the top two tournemnts where they play a fair chunk of games, like double those two. So half a dozen euro teams along with the 2 SA and bottom bunch of premiership and top14, some Championship and div 2 sides thrown in."

I don't know if Championship sides want to be commuting to Georgia every other week.


"my thought was just to create a middle ground now which can sustain it until that time has come, were I thought yours is more likely to result in the constant change/manipulation it has been victim to"

a middle ground between the current system and a much worse system?

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fl 48 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Huh? You mean last in their (4 team) pools/regions? My idea was 6/5/4, 6 the max, for guarenteed spots, with a 20 team comp max, so upto 5 WCs (which you'd make/or would be theoretically impossible to go to one league (they'd likely be solely for its participants, say 'Wales', rather than URC specifically. Preferrably). I gave 3 WC ideas for a 18 team comp, so the max URC could have (with a member union or club/team, winning all of the 6N, and Champions and Challenge Cup) would be 9."


That's a lot of words to say that I was right. If (e.g.) Glasgow won the URC and Edinburgh finished 16th, but Scotland won the six nations, Edinburgh would qualify for the Champions Cup under your system.


"And the reason say another URC (for example) member would get the spot over the other team that won the Challenge Cup, would be because they were arguable better if they finished higher in the League."

They would be arguably worse if they didn't win the Challenge Cup.


"It won't diminish desire to win the Challenge Cup, because that team may still be competing for that seed, and if theyre automatic qual anyway, it still might make them treat it more seriously"

This doesn't make sense. Giving more incentives to do well in the Challenge Cup will make people take it more seriously. My system does that and yours doesn't. Under my system, teams will "compete for the seed" by winning the Challenge Cup, under yours they won't. If a team is automatically qualified anyway why on earth would that make them treat it more seriously?


"I'm promoting the idea of a scheme that never needs to be changed again"

So am I. I'm suggesting that places could be allocated according to a UEFA style points sytem, or according to a system where each league gets 1/4 of the spots, and the remaining 1/4 go to the best performing teams from the previous season in european competition.


"Yours will promote outcry as soon as England (or any other participant) fluctates. Were as it's hard to argue about a the basis of an equal share."

Currently there is an equal share, and you are arguing against it. My system would give each side the opportunity to achieve an equal share, but with more places given to sides and leagues that perform well. This wouldn't promote outcry, it would promote teams to take european competition more seriously. Teams that lose out because they did poorly the previous year wouldn't have any grounds to complain, they would be incentivised to try harder this time around.


"This new system should not be based on the assumption of last years results/performances continuing."

That's not the assumption I'm making. I don't think the teams that perform better should be given places in the competition because they will be the best performing teams next year, but because sport should be based on merit, and teams should be rewarded for performing well.


"I'm specifically promoting my idea because I think it will do exactly what you want, increase european rugyb's importance."

how?


"I won't say I've done anything compressive"

Compressive.

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JW 52 minutes ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Generally disagree with what? The possibility that they would get whitewashed, or the idea they shouldn't gain access until they're good enough?


I think the first is a fairly irrelevant view, decide on the second and then worry about the first. Personally I'd have had them in a third lvl comp with all the bottom dwellers of the leagues. I liked the idea of those league clubs resting their best players, and so being able to lift their standards in the league, though, so not against the idea that T2 sides go straight into Challenge Cup, but that will be a higher level with smaller comps and I think a bit too much for them (not having followed any of their games/performances mind you).

Because I don't think that having the possibility of a team finishing outside the quarter finals to qualify automatically will be a good idea. I'd rather have a team finishing 5th in their domestic league.

fl's idea, if I can speak for him to speed things up, was for it to be semifinalists first, Champions Cup (any that somehow didn't make a league semi), then Challenge's semi finalists (which would most certainly have been outside their league semi's you'd think), then perhaps the quarter finalists of each in the same manner. I don't think he was suggesting whoever next performed best in Europe but didn't make those knockouts (like those round of 16 losers), I doubt that would ever happen.


The problem I mainly saw with his idea (much the same as you see, that league finish is a better indicator) is that you could have one of the best candidates lose in the quarters to the eventual champions, and so miss out for someone who got an easier ride, and also finished lower in the league, perhaps in their own league, and who you beat everytime.

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JW 1 hour ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Well I was mainly referring to my thinking about the split, which was essentially each /3 rounded up, but reliant on WCs to add buffer.


You may have been going for just a 16 team league ranking cup?


But yes, those were just ideas for how to select WCs, all very arbitrary but I think more interesting in ways than just going down a list (say like fl's) of who is next in line. Indeed in my reply to you I hinted at say the 'URC' WC spot actually being given to the Ireland pool and taken away from the Welsh pool.


It's easy to think that is excluding, and making it even harder on, a poor performing country, but this is all in context of a 18 or 20 team comp where URC (at least to those teams in the URC) got 6 places, which Wales has one side lingering around, and you'd expect should make. Imagine the spice in that 6N game with Italy, or any other of the URC members though! Everyone talks about SA joining the 6N, so not sure it will be a problem, but it would be a fairly minor one imo.


But that's a structure of the leagues were instead of thinking how to get in at the top, I started from the bottom and thought that it best those teams doing qualify for anything. Then I thought the two comps should be identical in structure. So that's were an even split comes in with creating numbers, and the 'UEFA' model you suggest using in some manner, I thought could be used for the WC's (5 in my 20 team comp) instead of those ideas of mine you pointed out.


I see Jones has waded in like his normal self when it comes to SH teams. One thing I really like about his idea is the name change to the two competitions, to Cup and Shield. Oh, and home and away matches.

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fl 2 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Yes I was the one who suggested to use a UEFA style point. And I guessed, that based on the last 5 years we should start with 6 top14, 6 URC and 4 Prem."

Yes I am aware that you suggested it, but you then went on to say that we should initially start with a balance that clearly wasn't derived from that system. I'm not a mind reader, so how was I to work out that you'd arrived at that balance by dint of completely having failed to remember the history of the competition.


"Again, I was the one suggesting that, but you didn't like the outcome of that."

I have no issues with the outcome of that, I had an issue with a completely random allocation of teams that you plucked out of thin air.

Interestingly its you who now seem to be renouncing the UEFA style points system, because you don't like the outcome of reducing URC representation.


"4 teams for Top14, URC and Prem, 3 teams for other leagues and the last winner, what do you think?"

What about 4 each + 4 to the best performing teams in last years competition not to have otherwise qualified? Or what about a UEFA style system where places are allocated to leagues on the basis of their performance in previous years' competitions?

There's no point including Black Lion if they're just going to get whitewashed every year, which I think would be a possibility. At most I'd support 1 team from the Rugby Europe Super Cup, or the Russian Championship being included. Maybe the best placed non-Israeli team and the Russian winners could play off every year for the spot? But honestly I think its best if they stay limited to the Challenge Cup for now.

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