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The moment Shaun Edwards says will haunt him until his dying day, and who he wants to coach after France

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France defence coach Shaun Edwards has nominated the Lions 2009 Test series defeat by South Africa as the one that got away, the loss he will take with him to his grave. Speaking to The Rugby Pod about whether he might be involved in some capacity in the 2021 return to the home of the Springboks, Edwards ruled himself out of the running and then proceeded to described how the defeat eleven years ago still nags away at him. 

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“I’m in French rugby now and that puts me out of the picture,” he said about his 2021 Lions prospects. “I would love to try to pay back what is the most disappointing loss of my coaching career. The second Test was the worst loss of my coaching career because of what went on with the gouging etc. It was just diabolical, wasn’t it? 

“At one stage we had a player on the pitch who should have been taken off. Unfortunately, we let a try in because of that and he was then immediately taken off afterwards. No fault to him whatsoever but he was knocked out and should have been taken off before.

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Bryan Habana rewatches the 2009 Lions versus South Africa Test in the company of RugbyPass and Jim Hamilton

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Bryan Habana rewatches the 2009 Lions versus South Africa Test in the company of RugbyPass and Jim Hamilton

“Funny enough I was talking about this to my missus the other day and I said, ‘Yeah, that series will sort of haunt me until my dying day’ even though we were playing against the best team in the world and probably the best South African team of all time. 

“They beat the All Blacks three times that year. Richie McCaw in his book, they asked him what was the best team he ever played against and he said the 2009 Springboks. They were the dominant team in world rugby. 

“We went over there having not been very successful on the previous Lions tour expecting to get whipped, and the way those lads came together as a unit and as a team was absolutely fantastic. It was within a hair’s breadth of beating the world champions in their own back yard with very limited preparation time.”

Edwards joined France for the 2020 Guinness Six Nations following the end of his long service with Wales from 2008 through to the 2019 World Cup. He is contracted through to the 2023 World Cup with the French and while this will mean he will have spent the majority of his coaching career in the Test arena, he still craves a return to club coaching where his talents were central to the great Wasps team of the mid-noughties.

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“Yeah, I still keep in touch with the owner at Wasps. He is an absolute gentleman and one day I would love to give him a trophy,” said France defence coach Edwards about whether he might wind up back in the club game in England, the country where the exit of Johan Ackermann at Gloucester recently created a Premiership vacancy. 

“Gloucester is always a place I have maybe fancied going. I was talking to Danny (Cipriani) the other day. Me and Danny are pretty close. He was saying, ‘Would I be interested?’ I said, ‘I have got to repay the faith that France have put in me first Danny before I would come back to a club position like that’. 

“But yeah, I am always interested. I do want to coach for a number of years yet. I’d like to hope that my best years as a coach are ahead of me and I will continue to better myself as a coach.”

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JPM 50 minutes ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

Unfortunately you don't know anything about French rugby, coaches and players but still making a lot of assumptions and judgements to push your prefabricated and simplistic point of view that Dupont is manipulating everything and is a bad guy. I am not a NZ rugby specialist and wouldn't dare make such theories about what is going on within the ABs team. Therefore my advice to you is to do like Dupont and stay humble when you don't know all the background of the issues !!!


Firstly if you knew a bit of Galthié, he is not the type of coach who is going to ask advice to his players and even his captain about team selection. He is as stubborn as you...


Second Ramos has played a lot of times as 10 with Toulouse and therefore Dupont (in particular when Ntamack is injured and unfortunately it has often happened recently and for long periods). He even played 10 during the last 3 games of the 2024 6N and this was far better performance than the first two games with Jalibert as 10.


Thirdly Jalibert lacked of respect to a La Rochelle player so your theory is once again out.


Fourth as I explained to you Galthié went for a 6-2 bench and Jalibert can only play 10 which doesn't fit that plan. Furthermore as 15 Buros is better under high balls than Ramos and everybody is prepared for a tactical kicking game.


So you can blame Galthié for a lot of things (as you clearly enjoy doing at the end of your post and you should be very happy as an AB fan) but certainly not Dupont. Sorry once more for your conspiracy theory.


And don't worry about potential disharmony in the French team; they are excellent mates around their captain. Jalibert is well known in the French rugby circles to have not a strong character (and we saw that in the WC quarter finals as he is very nervous in any decisive international game unlike Ntamack and Ramos as for his late penalty kick vs England this year).


In conclusion enjoy the game tmrw night. It is good that the ABs are very upset; we should watch a great game of rugby. I hope for running rugby and not too much kicking. With 5 key players injured on our side (Ntamack, Baille, Atonio, Cros and Penaud) and 2 on your side I and various French fans see you as favourites. I obviously hope for another result.


If you are interested you can read a good article in the Guardian on the subject of France-NZ games.

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KB 52 minutes ago
The 'one difference' between Boks and the back-to-back All Blacks

Consistency hasnt been there they have many great players SA were also not unbeaten in the 2023 WC - NZ were in 2015 WC McCaw and Carter Nonu and Smith - SA did not have those Marque players in those postions in 2019 or 2023 - I wouldnt rank them ahead of the 20I5 ABs - They clocked up 60 points against France in the QF - Furthermore I do not believe for one moment SA won 2023 fairly no way - they were so favoured it became obvious that behind the scenes SA the nation bought the title - Their last 3 matches were won by a solitary point there were many contentious decisions that went their way that it became obvious it wasnt coincidence - Sport has been hijacked by a satanic cult just as is Politics

Some players coaches officials and sponsors are involved - they know who they are - its called Freemasonry - any sport that allows betting is corrupt - its not all about money either for these parasites its also about control - Lots of American NFL players have spoken openly about games being scripted - Football is also rigged Referees have been caught on film showing freemason hand signs - The 95 RWC final ranks as the highest and most obvious attempt at cheating There was no way SA were going to allow NZ to gate crash Nelson Mandelas reunification party - NZ were so good they had to posion almost the entire team to get a 3 point win - a Hollywood Movie ( theres your Red Flag ) was made about SAs triumph called Invictus


William Henley wrote a poem called Invictus


It starts


Out of the night that covers me BLACK ( All Blacks ) as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever GODS maybe for my unconquerable Soul ...( Olan says INVICTUS is an evil Malevolent entity who corrupted the Titans ... this is Mandelas double meaning speech ( hes a fraud ) - of thanks for helping overcome SA's adversary NZ - There is only ONE true God Yahuah - Only a false god would be complicit in Cheating Corruption and Harming others to win a RWC for a sick and sinful Nation ) the poem ends with


I am the CAPTAIN of my soul


SA will forever bear the stain of guilt and disgrace over their involvement in poisoning the ABs a day before the 95 RWC Final

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CO 1 hour ago
Forget Ireland, the All Blacks face the real alpha of Europe next

I cannot believe that you don't think the French rugby team coach and captain are not discussing putting Jalibert on the bench in favour of Duponts club teammate that doesn't even play at 10.


This is a terrible, massive insult to a 10 and I'm sure Dupont would also be very enraged if benched for a player that doesn't even play halfback.


A good captain would've insisted to the coach that it was an idea of madness and either select Jalibert or replace him with another 10 if you want him to be reserve.


Jalibert may not be the world's finest tacklers but that's often not a tens main strength that the loose forwards and second five cover. An intercept pass is never great but they happen.


When any player is playing for his club then it's club first, respect doesn't need to be shown to opposition players simply because they're internationals.


Who exactly are you claiming Jalibert hasn't respected? If it's Toulouse international players then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this bench demotion out.


The outcome of selecting Jalibert to the bench and he then throwing his croissants out the window of the team bus immediately prior to playing the Allblacks is a disaster that will be team disharmony as any team mates of Jalibert are in a state of anger and revolt so a performance that will be sub optimal against a team that is thirsting for revenge against France.


I don't know about you but the Allblacks are very upset they've lost twice in a row to France and want to put out a statement performance so this preparation by Galthie of creating havoc looks to me like a coach that is clueless.

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