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The Myth of the Game-Changing Kiwi Rugby Coach

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They’re sought-after all over the world, but are they any good? Jamie Wall says the numbers don’t back up the legend of the franchise-saving imported Kiwi rugby coach.

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It seems like the natural path for a New Zealand pro-rugby player these days is a career playing Super Rugby, maybe the All Blacks if you’re good enough, then off to the Northern Hemisphere to pick up some coin before retirement. If you’re a coach, it’s the same but in reverse.

Kiwi coaches are being picked up all over the world with almost metronomic regularity. Ireland, Wales, Scotland and the United States all have one, and every major test playing nation (apart from South Africa) has had one in the past.

And yet, how many of them can claim to have actually been any good? You could point to Warren Gatland with Wales and Joe Schmidt with Ireland, although a closer examination at their records doesn’t do them any favours. Gatland’s win record is a hardly amazing 53%, while Schmidt’s a more favourable 69%. However, Ireland’s strength of schedule hasn’t been what you’d call tough, having only played the All Blacks, Wallabies and Springboks four times in total.

Their prestige seemingly comes from their success during the Six Nations, but anyone who had the misfortune of watching this year’s competition would tell you that’s nothing to brag about. Throw in early exits from last year’s World Cup and sudden Gatland and Schmidt look like pretty much any other Welsh or Irish head coach.England v Wales - RBS Six NationsScotland, admittedly, were one debatable penalty from a shock World Cup semi-final spot last year under Vern Cotter. So they went into this year’s Six Nations with high hopes, then proceeded to disappoint everyone by reverting to type; getting beaten by everyone except Italy and a soul-crushingly poor French team. Cotter’s record sits comfortably under 50% and shows no sign of bobbing above that inauspicious mark.

Canada were more than happy to renew former All Black Kieran Crowley’s contract despite him doing absolutely nothing noteworthy in his seven years in charge. Crowley then decided to jump ship and leave them for an Italian club side who were presumably offering him more money, anyway.

Perhaps the biggest example of an NZ reputation getting in the way of actual facts is the recent appointment of John Mitchell as coach of the US Eagles.  On paper, the acquisition of a former All Black player and coach would be a fantastic move for a team that consistently gets their potential talked up and consistently fail to deliver. Perhaps US rugby didn’t actually bother to read any of the numerous articles regarding Mitch’s questionable behaviour and inability to produce any results with any team other than the All Blacks. Even then, him leading the Eagles to a shock loss to Brazil recently really hinted the depths they’re about to plumb with him in charge.

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Is the proliferation of NZ coaches overseas a nefarious plot by NZ Rugby to undermine the strength of other test nations? If so, it’s working out very well and the strategic long game of sending Graham Henry and Steve Hansen over to Wales to establish a reputation back in the early 2000’s was key. But the masterstroke was bringing them back in exchange for the likes of Gatland, Mitchell and Robbie Deans.

Although they did also bring back John Kirwan, so their plan might not be that foolproof.

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JW 12 minutes ago
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One of the real-world spin-offs of Rassie’s selection policy was glossed over in the statement ‘it discriminates against backs; our game is for all shapes and sizes’. The truth is exactly the opposite.

I think you misconstrue his point for this story.

The biggest differential between the size of the forwards and the size of the backs is France at +29kg per man in favour of the forwards.

This is exactly his point that you’re agreeing with, ALL the fowards are big (hence the discrepancy).


You didn’t really make a good point yourself. A Data Analysts recently came in with an article about Super Rugby and was the first to correctly use Median instead of Mean as the basis of his prognosis. That’s what this article is missing. French forwards in their own would also have the widest margin of variance, with big and small forwards. French rugby, and their packs are frequently misidentified as large (again in just a recent article last week), when they actually have quite the tradition for athletic forwards as well.


Back back to the real issue you have tried to highlight, much like League went, the game now is moving all forwards towards the same size and shape. The topic of all sizes and shapes is not for the 75’s and the 140’s to get representation, it is that 90 to 110 range where everyone should probably be for the best rugby. Hell the most popular form of rugby now in NZ is the u85’s I think, and you have everyone in it, short f/r, bean pole locks, explosive 2nd5’s. I think there’s some allowance but everyone else would be between that 80 to 85 range I reckon.


I think it goes back to Grant Batty. Really enjoyed the explosion of all the little guys in Super Rugby this year as well, some of the best to watch. I’m not enjoying the discussion that stand out fowards in the competition like Du’Plessis Kirifi or Ioane Moananu are too small (read short) for International rugby forwards, so thank you very much Nick but you can kindly decease (FRO) with suggesting you can only be a forward if you’re 120kgs.

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JW 5 hours ago
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The NRL games are pretty cringe worthy, with Sydney favourites getting special treament and the only NZ team taking on a remote League team every year. I don’t understand it, is AFL any better?


Should we have Reds vs Blues every year? Does the same aussie team have the bye every year too then, never partaking in an ANZAC weekend? The Battle of the South always gets played out by Crusaders and Highlanders, theyre a bit to pre pre WWI aren’t they?


I’m with Harry, it should be special someone how, I’m just not sure something so simple is it. How about it’s a Blues or Reds trophy, but the winner of it now has a challenger, and if it it’s held by another team, who then looses it to either the Blues or Reds (as an ANZAC day feature game), then that triggers a Blues v Reds clash the next year?


So say the Blues loose it to the Brumbies the next year, and the Brumbies are challenged by the Hurricanes and lose it to them, then when the Reds manage to take it off the Hurricanes, then that triggers and automatic contest for the Blues to be able to win it off the Reds. So any time either regain it, it becomes about them again. Their story, the original story.


I liked some of the ideas for say a full sortie of matchups (though difficult with Aussie down a side) at say a host venue, but I think just a normal celebration like weve always had, but with the Friday fixture being for this Medal would be cool too.

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