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The Rugby Pod names its best-ever Premiership player import

Schalk Brits on 2009 Barbarians duty (Photo by Phil Cole/Getty Images)

With the curtain having fallen last Saturday on the Gallagher Premiership careers of Bristol duo Charles Piutau and Semi Radradra, The Rugby Pod has given its verdict on which player should be named the all-time best-ever player import in the English top-flight.

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Piutau, the former All Black who now represents Tonga, still hasn’t confirmed his next move but the Fijian Radradra is heading back to the Top 14 to play for Lyon next season.

Both lined out for the Bears last weekend at Ashton Gate versus Gloucester in the find round of the Premiership and their exits prompted a debate between Jim Hamilton and Andy Goode, the respective ex-Scotland and England internationals, as to who their all-time favourite Premiership import was.

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Goode initially ventured down the Australian route, suggesting Pat Howard was top of his list before he agreed with Hamilton that South African Schalk Brits should be top of the pile. However, the debate ended with a curveball, as Irishman Geordan Murphy was tossed in the mix on the back of his incredible honours as a Leicester player.

It was presenter Andy Rowe who sparked the debate, asking who did Hamilton and Goode think over the years had been the best-ever Premiership import. Here is how their conversation unfolded:

Hamilton: When you go through the achieves and producer Rob hit us with some because he loves his ruggers that much from when he was four years old and watching Francois Pienaar turn out for Saracens. You think that Francois Pienaar, the South African World Cup-winning iconic moment, arguably the most iconic moment in rugby, playing in the Premiership back in the day. We have had some great players. We were chatting about Pat Howard as well.

Goode: Pat Howard, 100 per cent would be the biggest impact. We won it five times, once with him as coach, four times as a player. Coming over from Australia, he had a massive impact. What do you judge the best import on? Is it just their individual ability and then you’re talking Charles Piutau or you’re talking Semi Radradra or Nick Evans as well, another one? Or are you talking about someone that has won a lot of Premierships playing at the top week in and week out? It’s a different conversation, isn’t it? Pat Howard, for me, had a massive impact on my career but also a hell of an import. Nick Evans was unbelievable, only won the Prem once. For me, one of the best imports – you played with him, Jim – Schalk Brits.

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Hamilton: For me, I would say Schalk Brits. I’ll tell you why, because of the way he played rugby with a smile on his face and he punched Owen Farrell, I know it wasn’t in the Premiership. But the way that he played rugby, one of the most naturally gifted athletes. I reckon he could have played NFL. As a hooker being able to carry the ball, being able to step. We have had loads. I remember playing with Dan Lyle, for example, from the US Eagles. There have been loads. Martin Castrogiovanni at Leicester, who was a bit of a cult hero. He loved going down and taking a knee so that when he got up everyone cheered. Sebastian Chabal as well at Sale. There are loads if you go through the archives. But for me, because I played with him and the way that he played rugby and because of the general consensus around Schalk Brits, I am going to say him.

Goode: I love the bloke as well, so he wins it.

Rowe: What about your mate Geordie Murphy, played in seven Premiership-winning teams and won two Heineken Cup finals?

Hamilton: I don’t see him as an import.

Goode: He is an import.

Hamilton: Well, I am as well if he is.

Goode: No, Jim, you came from Cov (Coventry). He came over from Ireland when he was about 18 and he lived with Martin Johnson’s parents. One of the most decorated players. Yeah, it’s a shout. Geordan Murphy is a shout.

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isaac 592 days ago

Nick Evans

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Poorfour 592 days ago

I think it depends on your criteria. If you're just looking at impact as a player then Brits or Murphy are good shouts.

If you're looking at the wider impact on a club then Nick Evans has won the Premiership twice - once as a player, once as a coach - but my vote would probably go to Alesana Tuilagi on the basis that when Leicester hired him they also got a significant chunk of his family, most notably Manu.

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GrahamVF 37 minutes ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

"has SA actually EVER helped to develop another union to maturity like NZ has with Japan," yes - Argentina. You obviously don't know the history of Argentinian rugby. SA were touring there on long development tours in the 1950's

We continued the Junior Bok tours to the Argentine through to the early 70's

My coach at Grey High was Giepie Wentzel who toured Argentine as a fly half. He told me about how every Argentinian rugby club has pictures of Van Heerden and Danie Craven on prominent display. Yes we have developed a nation far more than NZ has done for Japan. And BTW Sa players were playing and coaching in Japan long before the Kiwis arrived. Fourie du Preez and many others were playing there 15 years ago.


"Isaac Van Heerden's reputation as an innovative coach had spread to Argentina, and he was invited to Buenos Aires to help the Pumas prepare for their first visit to South Africa in 1965.[1][2] Despite Argentina faring badly in this tour,[2] it was the start of a long and happy relationship between Van Heerden and the Pumas. Izak van Heerden took leave from his teaching post in Durban, relocated to Argentina, learnt fluent Spanish, and would revolutionise Argentine play in the late 1960s, laying the way open for great players such as Hugo Porta.[1][2] Van Heerden virtually invented the "tight loose" form of play, an area in which the Argentines would come to excel, and which would become a hallmark of their playing style. The Pumas repaid the initial debt, by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park, and emerged as one of the better modern rugby nations, thanks largely to the talents of this Durban schoolmaster.[1]"


After the promise made by Junior Springbok manager JF Louw at the end of a 12-game tour to Argentina in 1959 – ‘I will do everything to ensure we invite you to tour our country’ – there were concerns about the strength of Argentinian rugby. South African Rugby Board president Danie Craven sent coach Izak van Heerden to help the Pumas prepare and they repaid the favour by beating the Junior Springboks at Ellis Park.

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JW 7 hours ago
Does South Africa have a future in European competition?

I rated Lowe well enough to be an AB. Remember we were picking the likes of George Bridge above such players so theres no disputing a lot of bad decisions have been made by those last two coaches. Does a team like the ABs need a finicky winger who you have to adapt and change a lot of your style with to get benefit from? No, not really. But he still would have been a basic improvement on players like even Savea at the tail of his career, Bridge, and could even have converted into the answer of replacing Beauden at the back. Instead we persisted with NMS, Naholo, Havili, Reece, all players we would have cared even less about losing and all because Rieko had Lowe's number 11 jersey nailed down.


He was of course only 23 when he decided to leave, it was back in the beggining of the period they had started retaining players (from 2018 onwards I think, they came out saying theyre going to be more aggressive at some point). So he might, all of them, only just missed out.


The main point that Ed made is that situations like Lowe's, Aki's, JGP's, aren't going to happen in future. That's a bit of a "NZ" only problem, because those players need to reach such a high standard to be chosen by the All Blacks, were as a country like Ireland wants them a lot earlier like that. This is basically the 'ready in 3 years' concept Ireland relied on, versus the '5 years and they've left' concept' were that player is now ready to be chosen by the All Blacks (given a contract to play Super, ala SBW, and hopefully Manu).


The 'mercenary' thing that will take longer to expire, and which I was referring to, is the grandparents rule. The new kids coming through now aren't going to have as many gp born overseas, so the amount of players that can leave with a prospect of International rugby offer are going to drop dramatically at some point. All these kiwi fellas playing for a PI, is going to stop sadly.


The new era problem that will replace those old concerns is now French and Japanese clubs (doing the same as NRL teams have done for decades by) picking kids out of school. The problem here is not so much a national identity one, than it is a farm system where 9 in 10 players are left with nothing. A stunted education and no support in a foreign country (well they'll get kicked out of those countries were they don't in Australia).


It's the same sort of situation were NZ would be the big guy, but there weren't many downsides with it. The only one I can think was brought up but a poster on this site, I can't recall who it was, but he seemed to know a lot of kids coming from the Islands weren't really given the capability to fly back home during school xms holidays etc. That is probably something that should be fixed by the union. Otherwise getting someone like Fakatava over here for his last year of school definitely results in NZ being able to pick the cherries off the top but it also allows that player to develop and be able to represent Tonga and under age and possibly even later in his career. Where as a kid being taken from NZ is arguably going to be worse off in every respect other than perhaps money. Not going to develop as a person, not going to develop as a player as much, so I have a lotof sympathy for NZs case that I don't include them in that group but I certainly see where you're coming from and it encourages other countries to think they can do the same while not realising they're making a much worse experience/situation.

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