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The sentimental reason behind Baa-Baas midfield selection

Virimi Vakatawa (Photo by Frederic Stevens/Getty Images)

Fabien Galthie, who led France to the Six Nations Grand Slam, has revealed he ripped up his plans for the Barbarians team to face England at Twickenham on Sunday after the players held their first dinner during their training camp in Monaco.

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Galthie had decided to use Fijian Levani Botia, who can play in the backs and forwards for La Rochelle, as flanker against England until he heard about the player’s schoolboy rugby career. Botia, nicknamed “Demolition Man”, was in the same school team as fellow Fijian Virimi Vakatawa and they were centre partners. Vakatawa is now a key member of Galthie’s French team and on discovering the link between the players he decided to reunite them in the Barbarians mid-field which means England are going to face two of the most potent attackers in European rugby.

Galthie said: “Yes, I hope it is a dangerous midfield for us. At the beginning we wanted to put Botia at No.6 position but after one dinner we learned that Botia and Vakatawa played together in the same school team in Fiji. They have never played since then and so it is like a present for them and for us for them to play together against England at Twickenham. So we changed our plan and so they are in their school positions when they were eight or nine years old.

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Will Skelton on Champions Cup celebrations and playing for the Barbarians | RugbyPass Offload | Episode 38

The big rig Will Skelton joins us from Monaco this week where he’s on tour with the Barbarians and rooming with George Kruis. He fills us in on the tour so far, hanging out at the palace with the Prince and who’s leading the charge off the pitch. We also hear about his man-of-the-match performance for La Rochelle in the Champions Cup Final, that famous open-top bus celebration and what it’s like playing for coaches like O’Gara and Cheika.

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Will Skelton on Champions Cup celebrations and playing for the Barbarians | RugbyPass Offload | Episode 38

The big rig Will Skelton joins us from Monaco this week where he’s on tour with the Barbarians and rooming with George Kruis. He fills us in on the tour so far, hanging out at the palace with the Prince and who’s leading the charge off the pitch. We also hear about his man-of-the-match performance for La Rochelle in the Champions Cup Final, that famous open-top bus celebration and what it’s like playing for coaches like O’Gara and Cheika.

“In the Barbarians team we have some nice stories like this and we are very happy about that.“

One of the other “nice stories” involves Will Skelton who has not been selected by the Wallabies which is bad news for the England pack with the La Rochelle lock able to partner fellow former Saracen George Kruis, playing his final game before retiring. “He is an international player and I do not know what the position is with the Australian Union and maybe they try to pick players who are in the country and not pick (Skelton) because it is not politic? :” said Galthie. “But, in this case it is an opportunity for him to play with George and they are back together.

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“We spent three days in Monaco with a nice view of the sea and then in Nice we played the French U20 and then we had a session with Esher, it was very friendly, and we mixed the two teams up.

“The French staff (the entire France coaching unit is with the Barbarians) are preparing for two tests in Japan (in July) using the same methods and so with 19 French players it is a good experience. This is the British Barbarians with a French accent – it is a bit eccentric. Will we be more flamboyant? We will try our best on Sunday and we have a good mix of young talented players and it can be a French development with players like George Kruis, Will Skelton and Botia. Charlies Ollivon is back after recovering from his injury.

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“At the start of the week we told the players about the history of the Barbarians and showed some of the tries and the one Phil Bennett started in 1973. He was French! Sometimes the French and Welsh are the same.”

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JW 3 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

Like I've said before about your idea (actually it might have been something to do with mine, I can't remember), I like that teams will a small sustainable league focus can gain the reward of more consistent CC involvement. I'd really like the most consistent option available.


Thing is, I think rugby can do better than footballs version. I think for instance I wanted everyone in it to think they can win it, where you're talking about trying to make so the worst teams in it are not giving up when they are so far off the pace that we get really bad scorelines (when that and giving up to concentrate on the league is happening together). I know it's not realistic to think those same exact teams are going to be competitive with a different model but I am inclined to think more competitive teams make it in with another modem. It's a catch 22 of course, you want teams to fight to be there next year, but they don't want to be there next year when theres less interest in it because the results are less interesting than league ones. If you ensure the best 20 possible make it somehow (say currently) each year they quickly change focus when things aren't going well enough and again interest dies. Will you're approach gradually work overtime? With the approach of the French league were a top 6 mega rich Premier League type club system might develop, maybe it will? But what of a model like Englands were its fairly competitive top 8 but orders or performances can jump around quite easily one year to the next? If the England sides are strong comparatively to the rest do they still remain in EPCR despite not consistently dominating in their own league?


So I really like that you could have a way to remedy that, but personally I would want my model to not need that crutch. Some of this is the same problem that football has. I really like the landscape in both the URC and Prem, but Ireland with Leinster specifically, and France, are a problem IMO. In football this has turned CL pool stages in to simply cash cow fixtures for the also ran countries teams who just want to have a Real Madrid or ManC to lose to in their pool for that bumper revenue hit. It's always been a comp that had suffered for real interest until the knockouts as well (they might have changed it in recent years?).


You've got some great principles but I'm not sure it's going to deliver on that hard hitting impact right from the start without the best teams playing in it. I think you might need to think about the most minimal requirement/way/performance, a team needs to execute to stay in the Champions Cup as I was having some thougt about that earlier and had some theory I can't remember. First they could get entry by being a losing quarter finalist in the challenge, then putting all their eggs in the Champions pool play bucket in order to never finish last in their pool, all the while showing the same indifference to their league some show to EPCR rugby now, just to remain in champions. You extrapolate that out and is there ever likely to be more change to the champions cup that the bottom four sides rotate out each year for the 4 challenge teams? Are the leagues ever likely to have the sort of 'flux' required to see some variation? Even a good one like Englands.


I'd love to have a table at hand were you can see all the outcomes, and know how likely any of your top 12 teams are going break into Champions rubyg on th back it it are?

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fl 7 hours ago
‘The problem with this year’s Champions Cup? Too many English clubs’

"Right, so even if they were the 4 worst teams in Champions Cup, you'd still have them back by default?"

I think (i) this would literally never happen, (ii) it technically couldn't quite happen, given at least 1 team would qualify via the challenge cup, so if the actual worst team in the CC qualified it would have to be because they did really well after being knocked down to the challenge cup.

But the 13th-15th teams could qualify and to be fair I didn't think about this as a possibility. I don't think a team should be able to qualify via the Champions Cup if they finish last in their group.


Overall though I like my idea best because my thinking is, each league should get a few qualification spots, and then the rest of the spots should go to the next best teams who have proven an ability to be competitive in the champions cup. The elite French clubs generally make up the bulk of the semi-final spots, but that doesn't (necessarily) mean that the 5th-8th best French clubs would be competitive in a slimmed down champions cup. The CC is always going to be really great competition from the semis onwards, but the issue is that there are some pretty poor showings in the earlier rounds. Reducing the number of teams would help a little bit, but we could improve things further by (i) ensuring that the on-paper "worst" teams in the competition have a track record of performing well in the CC, and (ii) by incentivising teams to prioritise the competition. Teams that have a chance to win the whole thing will always be incentivised to do that, but my system would incentivise teams with no chance of making the final to at least try to win a few group stage matches.


"I'm afraid to say"

Its christmas time; there's no need to be afraid!

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