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The warning Phil Larder has given to England's Kevin Sinfield

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Kevin Sinfield has revealed the pep talks he has received from fellow rugby league greats who have coached rugby union defence at Test level – with even Phil Larder recently warning him to watch out for the media.

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Larder was the first in the modern era to successfully make the coaching jump across from one code to the other, but although he went on to help England win the Rugby World Cup, he has reminded Sinfield about the criticism he had to initially face when things didn’t go well.

England bombed out at the World Cup in 1999 at the quarter-final stage and the media got stuck into the league-style defence that Larder had implemented. His ideas, though, worked out in the long run, Clive Woodward’s side lifting the trophy four years later in Australia.

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Just now, rugby league great Sinfield is enduring his own baptism of fire as a rookie Test-level defence coach. England have conceded a massive 30 tries in the nine matches he has been involved with under Steve Borthwick.

This leaky defence criticism will only intensify if a win isn’t secured versus Argentina in this Saturday’s World Cup opener in Marseille.

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Sinfield insisted on Tuesday in Le Touquet-Paris-Plage that nothing had taken him by surprise in the difficult teething process of jumping into the international arena after only coaching defence for a couple of years at Leicester following his retirement from playing rugby league.

“I don’t think there is anything that has surprised me; it is what I expected,” he insisted despite the accusations that the support staff working under Borthwick – including Sinfield – are far too callow and too inexperienced for Test level coaching.

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“I have spoken to enough people before I got the job, I spoke to Shaun (Edwards) and Phil Larder, had a couple of chats with Andy (Farrell) when we played against Ireland.

“So there are guys who have certainly led paths before me and understand the journey I am heading on. In particular, speaking to those guys has really helped. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t a straight line for all of those guys too.

“I didn’t expect this to be easy. I expected it to be tough, pulling a group of players together who are from very different systems and have very different personalities and characters.

“To try and get them on the same page has taken a lot longer than I probably envisaged but I see a belief and confidence in the group that they are as passionate as I am about it [defence].”

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Asked to elaborate on the pep talk from Larder, Sinfield continued: “I won’t share it with you. He has been great. I met him a couple of times, I spoke to him last week… he told me a lot about you guys actually, told me about how you guys [the media] treated him back in 99, was it?

“He told me about some of the things that went his way but it shows you how important it is to stick in and stick to your beliefs. To have somebody like that who you can tap into and speak to is invaluable.”

Missed tackles were particularly detrimental when England lost last time out to Fiji to conclude their Summer Nations Series leading into the World Cup, their sixth loss in nine games in 2023. Does conceding tries leave Sinfield all emotional or has he a composed demeanour about him when things don’t go to plan?

“There is always emotion in defence; I don’t try to take that out. It is important that we are passionate about defending for each other and defending our line and it’s important we are aggressive and we get off the line and are physical.

“I spend a lot of time analysing, as you would expect. I’m passionate about my job. I want us to be better. We haven’t been good enough so far but I have seen a belief and confidence in the group that they really want to improve, so I am firmly in there with them. I’m accountable, I’m responsible and I believe in what we are doing.”

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Rusty 442 days ago

Don't worry England you just need to win 3 games and you will get to a qf....it's not that difficult on your side of the draw

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Mark 442 days ago

The biggest concern re the current England team, is that defence is traditionally a much quicker and easier fix than attack.
Defence is as much about desire, and willingness and commitment as it is about technical analysis
You have to have 100% buy in from all of the players, this is because if players lack trust in the player on their inside or outside it all falls apart incredibly quickly.

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JW 3 hours ago
'Passionate reunion of France and New Zealand shows Fabien Galthie is wrong to rest his stars'

Ok, managed to read the full article..

... New Zealand’s has only 14 and the professional season is all over within four months. In France, club governance is the responsibility of an independent organisation [the Ligue Nationale de Rugby or LNR] which is entirely separate from the host union [the Fédération Française de Rugby or FFR]. Down south New Zealand Rugby runs the provincial and the national game.

That is the National Provincial Championship, a competition of 14 representative union based teams run through the SH international window and only semi professional (paid only during it's running). It is run by NZR and goes for two and a half months.


Super Rugby is a competition involving 12 fully professional teams, of which 5 are of New Zealand eligibility, and another joint administered team of Pacific Island eligibility, with NZR involvement. It was a 18 week competition this year, so involved (randomly chosen I believe) extra return fixtures (2 or 3 home and away derbys), and is run by Super Rugby Pacific's own independent Board (or organisation). The teams may or may not be independently run and owned (note, this does not necessarily mean what you think of as 'privately owned').


LNR was setup by FFR and the French Government to administer the professional game in France. In New Zealand, the Players Association and Super Rugby franchises agreed last month to not setup their own governance structure for professional rugby and re-aligned themselves with New Zealand Rugby. They had been proposing to do something like the English model, I'm not sure how closely that would have been aligned to the French system but it did not sound like it would have French union executive representation on it like the LNR does.

In the shaky isles the professional pyramid tapers to a point with the almighty All Blacks. In France the feeling for country is no more important than the sense of fierce local identity spawned at myriad clubs concentrated in the southwest. Progress is achieved by a nonchalant shrug and the wide sweep of nuanced negotiation, rather than driven from the top by a single intense focus.

Yes, it is pretty much a 'representative' selection system at every level, but these union's are having to fight for their existence against the regime that is NZR, and are currently going through their own battle, just as France has recently as I understand it. A single focus, ala the French game, might not be the best outcome for rugby as a whole.


For pure theatre, it is a wonderful article so far. I prefer 'Ntamack New Zealand 2022' though.

The young Crusader still struggles to solve the puzzle posed by the shorter, more compact tight-heads at this level but he had no problem at all with Colombe.

It was interesting to listen to Manny during an interview on Maul or Nothing, he citied that after a bit of banter with the All Black's he no longer wanted one of their jersey's after the game. One of those talks was an eye to eye chat with Tamaiti Williams, there appear to be nothing between the lock and prop, just a lot of give and take. I thought TW angled in and caused Taylor to pop a few times, and that NZ were lucky to be rewarded.

f you have a forward of 6ft 8ins and 145kg, and he is not at all disturbed by a dysfunctional set-piece, you are in business.

He talked about the clarity of the leadership that helped alleviate any need for anxiety at the predicaments unfolding before him. The same cannot be said for New Zealand when they had 5 minutes left to retrieve a match winning penalty, I don't believe. Did the team in black have much of a plan at any point in the game? I don't really call an autonomous 10 vehicle they had as innovative. I think Razor needs to go back to the dealer and get a new game driver on that one.

Vaa’i is no match for his power on the ground. Even in reverse, Meafou is like a tractor motoring backwards in low gear, trampling all in its path.

Vaa'i actually stops him in his tracks. He gets what could have been a dubious 'tackle' on him?

A high-level offence will often try to identify and exploit big forwards who can be slower to reload, and therefore vulnerable to two quick plays run at them consecutively.

Yes he was just standing on his haunches wasn't he? He mentioned that in the interview, saying that not only did you just get up and back into the line to find the opposition was already set and running at you they also hit harder than anything he'd experienced in the Top 14. He was referring to New Zealands ultra-physical, burst-based Super style of course, which he was more than a bit surprised about. I don't blame him for being caught out.


He still sent the obstruction back to the repair yard though!

What wouldn’t the New Zealand rugby public give to see the likes of Mauvaka and Meafou up front..

Common now Nick, don't go there! Meafou showed his Toulouse shirt and promptly got his citizenship, New Zealand can't have him, surely?!?


As I have said before with these subjects, really enjoy your enthusiasm for their contribution on the field and I'd love to see more of their shapes running out for Vern Cotter and the like styled teams.

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